Electric Cars and Types of Driving

Amethyst

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Recently, I mentioned the drop in our car's gas mileage, and my fears for the engine's health, since we moved to Florida and no longer have any high-speed distance driving to do. Instead, the car either sits in the garage or is forced to do short trips involving lots of lower-speed, stop-and-go driving. This is defined by the manufacturer as "severe driving conditions."

We are trying to come up with excuses to get out on the turnpike in order to give the car a good run.

Are "types of driving" a concern for electric vehicles? We are starting to think about a new car.
 
I have a prius and really have not considered types of driving. I just use it when I need to. mostly city, some highway, but in any case if I had to worry about using it for certain kinds of driving I would look elsewhere. it has been one of the most problem free cars I have owned.
 
I don’t have an EV, but I don’t think there are any typical types of driving that present an issue. However, range and recharging make long distance travel (anything beyond the safe range, typically from 100 to 300+ miles depending on make-model) a limiting factor. An EV is probably ideal for “no longer have any high-speed distance driving to do. Instead, the car either sits in the garage or is forced to do short trips involving lots of lower-speed, stop-and-go driving.” You may also want to consider a home (quick) charging station which can be a significant expense.
 
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Well, that could be an issue. We only have one car, and occasion for long distance trips will arise. Just not often enough to keep a gas engine healthy.
 
Well, that could be an issue. We only have one car, and occasion for long distance trips will arise. Just not often enough to keep a gas engine healthy.
How about renting a car for any long distance trips?
 
A dance friend was having car problems (kind of stuttering when trying to accelerate) and as I and another person suggested she got a can of fuel injector cleaner to add to her gas as well as changing gas station to a name brand ( in case water in their underground tank at her cut rate place, and yes I know few are like that now) as well as upping to a mid octane gas for a tank or two.

For what ever reason that fixed the car she was going to trade in because of that problem.
 
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I live in a harsh winter climate where people routinely start their car when it's -25 to -35 and drive 2 or 3 miles to work and their cars last just as long as anywhere else, so I would guess that your concerns may not be necessary.

My suggestion for a lot of short trips is to take a longer one every now and then and to possibly consider a battery tender...they are inexpensive ($30 - $50) and will keep the battery fully charged since repeated short trips are not enough to recharge the battery.
 
That's true, the "severe driving conditions" designation doesn't mean you're going to ruin your car. It does suggest you go on an accelerated maintenance schedule.

I put a battery tender on my Miata because I put in an aftermarket stereo head unit that has a slow drain. Maybe I connected it wrong, but it could run down over winter anyway. It works great, but partly because the battery is in the trunk which is easier to access than the hood. I keep the positive cable always connected and when charging clamp the ground to my trunk latch, and then connect the harness to the wall charger. It stays in my garage so I keep the trunk lid ajar. When driving I unhook the harness and drop the ground clamp into the trunk. I wouldn't want to pop the hood every time I drove, but maybe it could be permanently connected to the battery with the harness end sticking out very slightly for access without opening the hood. I got this one https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B010NRKERI.
 
When driving I unhook the harness and drop the ground clamp into the trunk. I wouldn't want to pop the hood every time I drove, but maybe it could be permanently connected to the battery with the harness end sticking out very slightly for access without opening the hood. I got this one https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B010NRKERI.

I keep permanently mine attached in winter...those ring clips fit on the bolts that connect to the battery terminals. That allows me to use the heated seats and steering wheel all the time without fear of draining the battery. It comes out under the hood next to the block heater cord so it's no bother to plug both in when parking.

In summer I put it on my riding mower as it has a tendency to drain the battery.
 
I would not worry about it at all. As you said, it may be severe driving, but that just means a somewhat different maintenance schedule. I have to believe a little extra maintenance is cheaper than getting an electric car, especially if you get a charger installed. Personally, I wouldn’t even worry about the battery tender. It certainly wouldn’t hurt, but a new battery every 3 to 5 years isn’t that big of a deal and, it may not even effect your battery. You’re driving slow and stop & go, but that doesn’t mean the engine isn’t running long enough to charge the battery.

I did some searching, but could not find any authoritative write up on this issue. Seems a lot of opinion, but little facts. Seemed to be some consensus on the battery possibility not charging enough and changing the oil more frequently.
 
A possibility, although we'd have to take Uber or a taxi to and from the rental places. Most are at least 10 miles from our house.

How about renting a car for any long distance trips?
 
Funny, my Dad never called it that, and he loved ethnic references and jokes.

But that is indeed what Dad advised for cars that were not being driven regularly at highway speeds.

We're trying to compensate with more-frequent, full-synthetic oil changes. But I think spending a few bucks now and then, driving the turnpike, is also called for.

Have been looking for an excuse to get an electric car for a while, but that range issue is daunting. Wonder if that will ever improve.

Search Google for 'Italian Tune up" :cool:.
 
Have been looking for an excuse to get an electric car for a while, but that range issue is daunting. Wonder if that will ever improve.

What is your thoughts on "acceptable range" between charging cycles? That will set the basis for what EV may be appropriate to look at.
 
..........Are "types of driving" a concern for electric vehicles? We are starting to think about a new car.
I'd be concerned about leaving an electric car parked for months and months, though I'm not sure where the cut off point would be.
 
I'd be concerned about leaving an electric car parked for months and months, though I'm not sure where the cut off point would be.



Your concern is somewhat valid, but not for the drive battery. It is the 12v starter battery that will lose charge if left to sit for months and months. My Leaf has a built in “battery minder”, if you will, that will recharge the 12v battery if 5 days has elapsed since the last drive or charge session. However, just like ICE vehicles, I believe there is a protocol to disconnect the 12v battery for extended storage. A month though is not a problem, in my experience.
 
Well, we do drive most days of the week. Just not more than about 10 miles from the house, and all in traffic/stoplights.

I'd be concerned about leaving an electric car parked for months and months, though I'm not sure where the cut off point would be.
 
I would think the same as a gas vehicle - about 400 miles. I realize that different conditions (using the a/c, especially) will bring down the range. Since a/c is practically mandatory in FL, it is a consideration.

What is your thoughts on "acceptable range" between charging cycles? That will set the basis for what EV may be appropriate to look at.
 
What is your thoughts on "acceptable range" between charging cycles? That will set the basis for what EV may be appropriate to look at.


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I think the above is good advice. FWIW, the chart in the attached article shows the total number of EV's delivered in the USA for each maker through May 2019.

https://insideevs.com/news/352626/ev-sales-scorecard-may-2019/

Here's a chart for world wide sales through April 2019

https://insideevs.com/news/352430/global-ev-sales-april-2019/
 
How about renting a car for any long distance trips?

A possibility, although we'd have to take Uber or a taxi to and from the rental places. Most are at least 10 miles from our house.

Most EVs should be able to make that short trip. Perhaps golf carts also can go that far. You can get lithium batteries for the cart to be sure.

And speaking of golf carts, you live in Florida now, right? :)
 
I would think the same as a gas vehicle - about 400 miles. I realize that different conditions (using the a/c, especially) will bring down the range. Since a/c is practically mandatory in FL, it is a consideration.



Surprisingly, a/c hardly impacts my range. The heater is the battery hog.
 
I would think the same as a gas vehicle - about 400 miles. I realize that different conditions (using the a/c, especially) will bring down the range. Since a/c is practically mandatory in FL, it is a consideration.

Very few EV's have a 400 mile range. Most are considerably less. You would have a problem finding one at this time that would not cost $100K, or thereabouts.

Maybe a hybrid is a better choice? Lots of cars with a gas/electric drivetrain that average 40+ mpg and can go long distances with the gasoline side of the powerplant. Around town on short trips would be all electric (or mostly).
 
I believe the most expensive Tesla Model X is the Tesla P100D, and that the 100 number stands for its 100kWh battery. It has a list price of $145K.

About the range, read the following from the Web.

Real world range for p100d

Submitted by Shiro300Zx on May 20, 2017

Just picked up a p100d model x. The 335 mile advertised range is not even close to what I'm getting. On a 100% charge I can go 220-230 miles. That's highway driving. 75-80mph. Radio and air on. 70-80 degrees ambient temp. Watt hours average from 380 to 430. Does this seem right? I know the speed and air condition will reduce the range. But by over 100 miles? I contacted tesla to do a remote log on the battery weeks ago. They never got back to me.
 
An electric car is ideal for local driving. That's what we use our Tesla Model 3 for. If you can install a 240V 40A-50A outlet or charging connector near where you park the car at home, you'll never have to think about range. It starts out full (actually 80%-90%) every day. How many miles will you drive in one day? That's the key consideration in this case. No trips to the gas station was one of my priorities. Even 120V 15A can get you about 5 miles of range per hour, so you might be able to get by just with that.

Electric cars don't need to be warmed up, so short trips are not especially hard on the car. They are highly efficient in the city, with regenerative braking. Other than plugging in at home I don't think you'd notice any change to your normal driving. Except it can be a lot of fun with quick, smooth, and quiet acceleration.

As far as long distance travel, that's what our Tesla Model X is used for. It's a lot of fun traveling in an electric car. We drive for about 2 hours, charge for about 30 minutes, and repeat as necessary until we get where we're going. The more frequent, slightly longer stops for charging allow you to walk around for a bit, which goes a long way towards making the trip tolerable and even relaxing. A couple of those stops will include lunch or dinner, so no charging penalty for them. You may need a little flexibility to use the restaurants, hotels, or sightseeing that is a short walk from the charger. We've tried some places we never would have normally, with good results. This suits many Tesla owners, though some others just can't take the charging stops. If you want to drive 12 hours with no stops this may not be your road trip car.

Tesla has their Supercharger fast charging network along the most traveled highways and in many cities. You can charge anywhere you can find an outlet, but using the Superchargers is fastest. We use an online route planner to find our optimum route using Superchargers, so we know how the trip will go before we start. Our X has an EPA range of 292 miles with a full charge. That's good for over 200 miles of high-speed travel. "Filling the tank" gets slower at charge levels above 80%, so fast traveling means you charge only enough to reach the next Supercharger plus a 10%-20% safety margin. The car estimates your safety margin as you are driving, so if unexpected rain or a headwind pop up you can slow down to a more efficient speed to ensure reaching your destination. Generally traffic jams will lead to additional safety margin due to driving slower. And A/C is only a small hit, though driving at below freezing temps can significantly lower your range. With a little planning we've never had a problem with range.

We use Tesla's Autopilot to do all the highway driving. While you still have hands on the wheel, not having to make little steering adjustments car separation adjustments leaves me more time to watch down the road and check out the scenery. It's what allows me to make long road trips, like four days of 11 hours of (shared) driving. And I look forward to it!

Other than Tesla, I don't know of any other battery electric cars that are ready to make long road trips. Either charging will be too slow or their fast chargers are not convenient for travel. Hopefully this is improving. But if road trips are not a concern almost any electric car that matches your daily use with about 50% to 80% of its range should work nicely.
 
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