Proposal by DoD to radically change military retirement

I didn't mean to imply that people just sit around and mark off their calendars. But you can't deny that there's very few occupations, where someone can immediately draw a pension at around 40 years of age, and that alone is a very powerful influence. I would also say many stay in the military because of personal insecurity with the civilian job market.

As for doing well, I think anyone who successfully serves 20 years in the military, has done well.

I come to this from an enlisted perspective, and a post-Zumwalt, peacetime Navy. Those who have served as officers, in elite units, or in wartime, may have a different viewpoint. Those who served pre-1973 or post-2001, may see this differently as well. I can only speak to the 1974-95 timeframe.
 
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I do think the 20 year retirement keeps a lot of folks in when they hit 15 or 16 years. Or I should say it is a serious factor in getting them over the hump and the BS.

I've seen a lot of people retire where I work and most just go back to work in a non-military job. They always say "I need the money" or "I am too young to retire."

I see a lot of good E5 or E6s getting out as well. All the nuke sailors get job offers pretty fast at the shipyard where I work. Some of them stay in the reserve as well.

I got out at 16 from the Guard. The BS was too much. But it ate at me, and I had to go back to finish my 20. I missed the people and serving my country, but the 20 year pension offset the BS and stupidity I had to endure for the last few years.
 
my dad worked for a mega back in the 60s and they had a 10 year cliff vesting....
I worked for a company '71-'79 and "lost" my pension when I left, after eight years there.

Went to another company which had better pay/benefits (including pension), but the pension was eliminted in the early '80's and replaced with the 401(k).

The result was that I didn't start saving/investing for retirement till my mid-30's. At least the young folks today have no "promises" (other than federal government workers) that can be pulled, as in the private sector.

But that's life :blush: ...
 
Based on the latest proposals, today's Pentagon in cross hairs of debt ‘trigger’ - The Washington Post notes
Even the military’s generous pension system, which allows troops to collect half their salary for the rest of their lives after 20 years of service, might be scrapped in favor of a cheaper 401(k) system. “Those kinds of changes would have been a nonstarter before, but given the cuts the Pentagon is facing it is more possible,” said Harrison of the CSBA.
Unfortunately, the 401(k) system does not support retention.
 
Well, the 401k system could support retention if they had a huge matching %. They would probably have to have it vest over a long period, with full vesting at 20 years or something.
 
Well, the 401k system could support retention if they had a huge matching %. They would probably have to have it vest over a long period, with full vesting at 20 years or something.

I think they could have it vest over two or three years. I think a more generous match plus deferred compensation bonus money vs pension would keep many in the service. If given the flexibility to adjust financial incentives, the services could make it work.
 
I think they should have special government backed bonds that can only be purchased through a 401K. These bonds would be inflation adjusted and offer a real return of around 4%. If you did this, then nobody would have pension envy.

Right now the best you can do for a semi-guaranteed retirement using a 401K is to go 100% TIPS which have a less than 2% real return. This doesn't even come close to matching the guaranteed return in most public pension systems.

The other solution is for everyone to just work for the government.

Note as I write this, my 401K is starting to go negative for the year, so there may be some bitterness. 2012 is not looking to be much better...
 
Reading the Navy Times article, it says that ADM Greenert (the next CNO) wants to bring back early retirement for officers. It would be accomplished just as they did it in the 90's, whereby officers became retirment eligible at 15 years of service. They simply want people off the books, and I think it is short-sighted over the long-term, but if this comes to fruition, I might accept it. Hafta see the details first.

Not sure what their payment is based on, but if we figure 2.5% per year as a differential from the 50% of base pay at 20 years, that means 37.5% of (hi-3) base pay after just 15 years of service.

Obviously this is just in discussions, but I might just retire with a pension next year if the stars align properly!
 
Which brings up the question, who would serve in the Guard and Reserve if they already have a pension from serving on active duty for 5+ years?
How do the proposals affect Reserve retirement policies? It has always been my impression that the retirement benefits are the biggest draw for the reserves. Am I correct in that?
 
How do the proposals affect Reserve retirement policies? It has always been my impression that the retirement benefits are the biggest draw for the reserves. Am I correct in that?
In my experience, no it's not the biggest draw. Reserve aircrew in my squadron seem to stick around for two big reasons: it's fun, and it provides a source of income.
 
How do the proposals affect Reserve retirement policies? It has always been my impression that the retirement benefits are the biggest draw for the reserves. Am I correct in that?

I'm not intimately familiar with the reserve retirement program, as far as the exact formula, for figuring the monthly dollar amounts for pensions. I do know it's figured on a point system derived from monthly drills, combined with active duty periods. Also, 15 years of active duty, is going to be worth more than 15 years of reserve duty, as for the amount of a monthly pension.

Other than the monetary amounts, the main difference has been that the active duty retiree gets their pension immediately upon the completion of 20 years, while the reservist must wait until age 60.

Two prominent factors in some of the reform proposals, has been the elimination of the ability to draw active duty retirement immediately, and delaying the date to age 57-60. Similar to what the reserves have now. The other proposal involves vesting beginning at 10 years of service. The reserves have always had a considerable number of members who don't want to serve 20 years on active duty, but still would like to get a pension. They do time in the reserves to complete 20 years. I question whether someone vested from 10-15 years active duty, would find it worthwhile to spend an additional 5+ years in the reserve, just for a small increase in their pension at roughly the same age.

I see the 10 year vesting proposal as vastly affecting the relationship between the active duty and reserve retirement programs. The key being the elimination of the ability of active duty retirees to receive their pension immediately.

In response to the 401K proposals, and comparing them to the current retirement system, it's difficult to analyze them because military pensions are not the same as private or other government pensions. There is no cash balance. In fact, technically, the military refers to them as "retired pay". They are paid through the DFAS the same as other forms of military pay. As far as I know, there is no "pension manager", nor any kind of investments involved with military retiree benefits. Therefore, it's difficult to compare a proposed 401K plan, with the current system.

Military pay in general is hard to correlate with civilian occupations. Always has been. Any self-funded retirement plans that replace the current retirement system, will require a total overhaul of the current pay and benefits program.
 
Speaking as a reservist who stayed in until I was told by the Air Force I was too old...I can say that the eventual pension I will receive had a whole lot to do with it. Also...a very good additional income for one weekend a month, the ability to go "on orders" for 2 -4 times a year & draw full military pay & added $$ for per diem, subsistence & housing allowances, plus the ability to continue to serve....all figured in to the formula. ALSO pertinent was the fact that for most of my military career I was working in a civlian/military technician civil service job that required me to remain a member of the reserves as a condition of employment. Had I decided to leave that job, I don't know that I'd have stayed in the reserves so long. Now that I'm retired from the reserves, it's great to have all my weekends back, but I do miss the pay each month. Gotta wait another 6 1/3 yrs to get the paycheck.
 
Speaking as a reservist who stayed in until I was told by the Air Force I was too old...I can say that the eventual pension I will receive had a whole lot to do with it. Also...a very good additional income for one weekend a month, the ability to go "on orders" for 2 -4 times a year & draw full military pay & added $$ for per diem, subsistence & housing allowances, plus the ability to continue to serve....all figured in to the formula. ALSO pertinent was the fact that for most of my military career I was working in a civlian/military technician civil service job that required me to remain a member of the reserves as a condition of employment. Had I decided to leave that job, I don't know that I'd have stayed in the reserves so long. Now that I'm retired from the reserves, it's great to have all my weekends back, but I do miss the pay each month. Gotta wait another 6 1/3 yrs to get the paycheck.

The "technician" program sounds like a good deal. I first became aware of it when I served with some TANG guys at NAS Dallas. The Navy counterpart was the Training and Administration of Reserves Program (TAR). Now it's called the Full Time Support Program (FTS). The difference compared to the technician program, is that the Navy member doesn't get a civil service position, and is an active duty member, with active duty pay. The advantage was (at least in the Air Traffic Controller rating) is you were limited to shore duty in CONUS. The BRAC's of the 1990's closed the majority of inland NAS's, and that was the end of it for AC's in the program.
 
It would be accomplished just as they did it in the 90's, whereby officers became retirment eligible at 15 years of service. They simply want people off the books, and I think it is short-sighted over the long-term, but if this comes to fruition, I might accept it. Hafta see the details first.
Not sure what their payment is based on, but if we figure 2.5% per year as a differential from the 50% of base pay at 20 years, that means 37.5% of (hi-3) base pay after just 15 years of service.
Obviously this is just in discussions, but I might just retire with a pension next year if the stars align properly!
I applied for the last TERA three times and got turned down every time because the submarine force realized it was cutting too deep. IIRC, DoD makes each service pay the pension difference between TERA & regular retirement so that the services aren't just passing the pension buck to DoD. "Seating will be limited."

If you hear even just a credible whiff of the program being offered, I'd pre-load an application and have it ready to snapshot on the day the program is announced. (For extra bonus points, e-mail it directly to the PERS code and tell them your CO's endorsement will be forwarded SEPCOR.) Even if you're not quite at 15 years yet, put in the application and make BUPERS say "Denied". Then you can at least re-apply the day before you reach 15 YOS.

I don't know how easy it is to search the ALNAV and NAVADMIN archives for 1996-97, but I'm pretty sure the acronym "TERA" was in the subject line. That's exactly what the poor PERS-4 action officer is going to do if TERA II is proposed.

How do the proposals affect Reserve retirement policies? It has always been my impression that the retirement benefits are the biggest draw for the reserves. Am I correct in that?
No impact so far.

In addition to the camaraderie, it's easy to get sucked into drilling. Active-duty officers from service academies and ROTC are obligated to eight years' service, of which only the first five have to be active duty. (The last three years' Reserve service can be inactive, which is just an annual phone muster.) If they leave at five then they make the rest of their civilian transition, but eventually many upgrade their Reserve participation to see if it's worth their time. And of course if the civilian job search doesn't go well, Reserve duty is plentiful for those who are in the right town or willing to travel. It's not too hard to string together a living from a series of Reserve orders and part-time civilian employment. On Oahu you can practically leave active duty on Friday, join the Reserves on Monday, and start a set of active-duty orders on Tuesday. Within a few months you could even be mobilized. Unfortunately all of that would occur at PACOM HQ, which is not among the happiest places on earth.

I don't think retirement benefits are a priority until at least 12-14 years. There are many ways for veterans to make a clean break and to "sell back" military time in federal civil service, in many state/municipal civil services, and even some civilian jobs. But by 12-14 years most Reservists/Guard have integrated the routine with the rest of their lives (or at least tolerated it) and feel that they're in the home stretch.

I'm not intimately familiar with the reserve retirement program, as far as the exact formula, for figuring the monthly dollar amounts for pensions. I do know it's figured on a point system derived from monthly drills, combined with active duty periods. Also, 15 years of active duty, is going to be worth more than 15 years of reserve duty, as for the amount of a monthly pension.
Retiring from the Reserves and National Guard | Military Retirement & Financial Independence , as well as the two posts on either side of that one.

(If anyone knows how to make a WordPress blog easier for readers to sort through a "table of contents", I'd love to use it. The "Top 10 posts" widget works well, but after 140 posts it's getting harder for new readers to sift through the archives or the search results.)

The rest of your comments are spot-on. I think the DoD proposal is fundamentally crippled and just intended to be a controversial conversation-starter. Which, according to my blog stats, is succeeding beyond my wildest dreams.

... it says that ADM Greenert (the next CNO)
When I was just an itty-bitty department head on a Pearl Harbor boat, Greenert was CO of the USS HONOLULU. That crew had absolutely stratospheric retention during his tenure. Good guy. I wish we could figure out how to train more COs like him, starting with the two I had on my boat during my tenure.

When I rotated to follow-on shore duty, I worked with a young quartermaster named Ricky West. He was an impressive guy (even if he only appeared to be about 14 years old) and made chief petty officer while he was there. He went back to sea and I lost track of him until he surfaced wearing MCPON insignia...
 
I don't think retirement benefits are a priority until at least 12-14 years. There are many ways for veterans to make a clean break and to "sell back" military time in federal civil service, in many state/municipal civil services, and even some civilian jobs. But by 12-14 years most Reservists/Guard have integrated the routine with the rest of their lives (or at least tolerated it) and feel that they're in the home stretch.
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True. By 12/14 years you can see the light at the end of tunnel (hopefully it is not a train heading your way). I had to run the numbers for many prior cohorts to show them the benefits of "buying back" their military active duty in order to count it for longevity on their civilian fedral job. Many initially got hung up on the cost to them rather than the perpetual monthly increase to their pension. If I recall properly, the break even point was usually less than 2 years.
 
Well, the Air Force is already shedding lots of people - SERBs abound as well as separation boards......and they aren't necessarily issuing waivers after non-promotion for Majors.....very difficult time for many now.

As a Reservist with 25+ years in and now hoping to get my three years TIG for my last promotion and retire - I must say the stories are varied where I just drilled in LA....some just need to get that 20 year letter - others have bigger dreams. The younger cohort is interesting, but then again my cohort is as well (the ones that have stayed this long) - plus for the USAFR, there is a difference between the IMA and Unit programs....and how they are managed and the types of people they attract. Depends on your AFSC.

As for on topic of a retirement - I can see them slowly changing the retirement benefits....using some of the techniques they are using now for the personnel drawdown. As for motivation and/or retention, I don't know - I'd have to say the younger generation has some definitely different ways of looking at this - they can be much more aggressive and vocal about it and have many more expectations. Should be interesting. I also see them raising the TRICARE premiums as well as any co-pay or deductible limits.

I won't see a Reserve retirement until 2024 - 13 more years - sure hope I make it!
 
There are very few officers in my unit who have less than 10 yos. I hear more and more talk about people planning to get out if the current system is abolished.
 
Attached is a slideshow which goes into a little more detail on the exact proposal, for those who haven't seen it. Lots of interesting changes or potential changes for the military lately--repeal of don't ask, don't tell; attempts to integrate females into direct ground combat MOSs, AFSCs, NECs or put in combat units below the brigade/regiment level; and massive potential changes to retirement and benefits, for example.
 

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Attached is a slideshow which goes into a little more detail on the exact proposal, for those who haven't seen it. Lots of interesting changes or potential changes for the military lately--repeal of don't ask, don't tell; attempts to integrate females into direct ground combat MOSs, AFSCs, NECs or put in combat units below the brigade/regiment level; and massive potential changes to retirement and benefits, for example.

I've been hesitant to comment on this thread, but the presentation really addressed all of my concerns as a civilian with a significant interest in military affairs. I hope proposals like these happen.

The statistic that really bothers me is that 83% of all military personal don't receive any type of retirement benefit. This to me is just horribly unfair.

I think of two soldiers, both entering the service after 9/11. The first is the young man who enlisted a year or two out of high school. He signed up in a patriotic spirit to be a rifleman, re-enlisted a couple of times overseas with a nice tax free re-enlistment bonus. He has had 5 tours overseas and been shot many times at and survived lots of near misses with IEDs. When his enlistment is up in 2013 or so there is decent chance that the Army won't need him and he may not even get a chance to reup. Sure the Army will mostly pay for his college education or trade school, but realistically he'll graduate in his mid 30s, with a distinguished service record but not much in the way of transferable skills in the civilian world.

The second soldier is computer science major who was on a ROTC scholarship (this could have been me 30 years ago.). Given the tremendous need for IT in the military, this officer only spent one year-long tour in Baghdad, only leaving the Green zone a couple of times.
With his computer science background he transferred to cybercommand
recently and will almost certainly have an opportunity to serve his 20 years and probably be able to start a second career after his 20 years if he desires.

Realistically the Army is right there is probably more demand for cyberwarriors than rifleman after 2013 and the shooting wars have really wound down. However, as a citizen I feel awful that infantryman is getting nothing to help for his retirement, and bit jealous of the IT officer.
 
Believe it or not, this presentation isn't even the final version. That's supposed to come out sometime this month, although I'm sure it'll be modified by the extensive "public commentary" it's receiving.
Here's a few more comments from the blog post:
Military retirement: the latest overhaul | Military Retirement & Financial Independence

Page 5: “Military retirement funds are not able to be invested in higher yielding equities and bonds.”
If they were invested in other assets, how far would the higher returns go to resolve the perceived shortfall? We don’t have to privatize the funds, but I’ve heard that Treasury yields have recently shot up...

Page 6: “DoD pays retirees 40 years of retirement benefits for 20 years of service.”
My calculations show that DoD expects to pay pensions until we’re at least 77 years old. How’s that compare to the life expectancy of the military retiree/veteran demographic? To be excruciatingly and actuarially thorough this study should include wounded veterans, servicemembers who are medically retired shortly before they die (usually of severe wounds), and servicemembers killed before reaching retirement eligibility. Do you civilian retirees have full-page mesothelioma ads in the back of your alumni magazine?

Page 7: “It will be very difficult to release personnel with 15 or more years of service, yet these age groups are a likely target for downsizing.”
Uhm, guys, did you note all the TERA applications from 1996-97? How’d that program work out for DoD? Could we see a study of the costs & savings?

Page 7: “The current system does not compensate for those in high-risk situations or extenuating circumstances (e.g., combat duty)…”
I’m not sure a higher retirement benefit would motivate me to volunteer for an extra combat tour, and I’d sure hate to serve combat duty alongside someone who’s motivated by that. Is this really a retirement problem, or is it adequately compensated by combat pay?

Page 8: “There is no difference in retirement benefits between those who have served in high risk and low risk positions.”
What risk category would this plan have assigned to those on shore duty in the Pentagon on 11 September 2001? Is it “low risk” only if nothing bad happens?

My spouse, who was excluded by Congress from combat zones for the first 10 years of her career, has a few pithy personal opinions on this “low risk” issue. Her retirement benefits were also reduced quite a bit by being shut out from her community’s male promotion opportunities. Let’s just say that her highly public visibility in uniform made her much more of a target than my years of “run silent, run deep” submarine sea duty. Yet who got all the sea pay & sub pay? How does the DBB plan offer equal opportunity to women who are still banned from certain military specialties? In an apparently related coincidence, my spouse was also one of the 7% who transitioned to the Reserves between their 15th and 20th years of service (page 11).

Page 13: “Establish a mandatory TSP program for all military service personnel.”
I think mandatory TSP enrollment should be enacted tomorrow. Why wait? Let's do it for workplace 401(k)s, too.

I’ll be fair. For those of us already in the service (or who’ve left it), on page 14 the DBB brief says:
* “No impact on existing retired population”,
* “Fully disabled veterans not affected by new plan”, and on page 22,
* “For those with less than 20 years– proportional benefit under “old plan” if they stay for 20+ years”.

In other words, if you’re under 10 years of service then you presumably don’t care about retirement benefits (page 7) and if you’re over 10 years then you’ll preserve a healthy proportion of the existing system.

I've been hesitant to comment on this thread, but the presentation really addressed all of my concerns as a civilian with a significant interest in military affairs. I hope proposals like these happen.
The statistic that really bothers me is that 83% of all military personal don't receive any type of retirement benefit. This to me is just horribly unfair.
Unfortunately it's not like we're throwing them all out. We're having the usual miserable time persuading them to stick around, although that number has dropped since 2004 when it was 85%.

It turns out that (big surprise) being a grunt is hard on the body (even without the gunshots & IEDs). Occupation makes a difference. The proportion of Air Force veterans who leave without retirement benefits is below 70%. The proportion of Marines who leave without retirement benefits is over 92%.

The reality is that servicemembers don't want to hang around for "cliff vesting". We veterans tell everyone not to join up for the retirement benefits, we mean it, and they believe it. Instead, for most the military is a McJob (admittedly with training on breaking things & killing people) that serves as a stepping stone for education and life skills to take to a bridge career.

I think of two soldiers, both entering the service after 9/11. The first is the young man who enlisted a year or two out of high school. He signed up in a patriotic spirit to be a rifleman, re-enlisted a couple of times overseas with a nice tax free re-enlistment bonus. He has had 5 tours overseas and been shot many times at and survived lots of near misses with IEDs. When his enlistment is up in 2013 or so there is decent chance that the Army won't need him and he may not even get a chance to reup. Sure the Army will mostly pay for his college education or trade school, but realistically he'll graduate in his mid 30s, with a distinguished service record but not much in the way of transferable skills in the civilian world.
It depends on the civilian employers. There's a huge infrastructure of headhunters and career networks and civil service (largely invisible to civilians) for veterans who have had more leadership responsibility in their teens & 20s than most civilians have achieved in their 40s. A veteran will put up with appalling working conditions and still think they're getting a good deal. Even submariners and Air Force veterans!

It's all too common for veterans to be disabled with PTSD or injuries or other trauma. It's all too easy to be a 10-year cluckup in the armed forces and leave with minimal skills. But the vast majority who learn & use their benefits can get job skills, perhaps a college degree (either in the service or afterward with the GI Bill), and all the perseverance & commitment that an employer could want. Even "just a Marine rifleman" possesses all the skills he'll need to be the sales guy from hell.

The second soldier is computer science major who was on a ROTC scholarship (this could have been me 30 years ago.).
Well, maybe except for the urinalysis...

Realistically the Army is right there is probably more demand for cyberwarriors than rifleman after 2013 and the shooting wars have really wound down. However, as a citizen I feel awful that infantryman is getting nothing to help for his retirement, and bit jealous of the IT officer.
This is the third or fourth time in my life that I've heard of the end of war. It was over after WWII. It ended after Korea. It was finished forever after Vietnam. Remember the 1989 "end of history" and the 1991 "peace dividend"?

We've always needed that IT officer, just as we needed the cryptographers and intel analysts and linguists and logistics experts and combat engineers and communications engineers and other highly-trained specialists. One of my neighbors is a highly-trained "special projects" guy who'll be in high demand until he wants to quit.

But unfortunately, no matter how powerful our cyberskills and remote sensors, I think we'll always need that infantry grunt who can clomp over to the target, take charge, and verify that it really is destroyed & dead. Robert Heinlein was writing about that in Starship Troopers over five decades ago, and we'll probably be reading about it in the warfare doctrine manuals for another couple of centuries.

While the grunt may leave the military without a pension, at least these days she's leaving with a real GI Bill benefits, a TSP account, and (coming in 2012) a Roth TSP. Compare that to what the Vietnam vets had, or a crippled 1980s educational program called "VEAP". Today's veterans still have every opportunity to join the Reserves or National Guard to try to retain a little of the military culture until they finish those 20 "good years" and become eligible for some sort of pension.
 
Great post Nords! To my knowledge this has not really made the rounds yet other than the underground network. I will check with my AD counterparts to get their thoughts!

JDARNELL
 
Nice breakdown of many of the issues Nords.

It turns out that (big surprise) being a grunt is hard on the body (even without the gunshots & IEDs). Occupation makes a difference. The proportion of Air Force veterans who leave without retirement benefits is below 70%. The proportion of Marines who leave without retirement benefits is over 92%.

Occupation definitely makes a difference. I was talking to a friend a couple months ago and he mentioned that within my previous career field prior to ATC there were only about 40 members with at least 15 years--out of a little over 1000 total members. Physical and combat related career fields definitely take a greater toll on the mind and body than other career fields.



Nords said:
While the grunt may leave the military without a pension, at least these days she's leaving with a real GI Bill benefits, a TSP account, and (coming in 2012) a Roth TSP.

Not to take this off topic, but the reference to a grunt being female caught my attention. I'm not completely against the idea of females being in combat arms, but I wonder how they will deal with the most physical career fields or schools. For example, in my previous career field the final ruck march graduation requirement was 12 miles with a 95 lbs. ruck which when combined with other gear, weapon and water comprised a total weight of around 120+ lbs. My guess is the overwhelming amount of females would have trouble bearing this load, even after extensive training.
 
I'm not completely against the idea of females being in combat arms, but I wonder how they will deal with the most physical career fields or schools. For example, in my previous career field the final ruck march graduation requirement was 12 miles with a 95 lbs. ruck which when combined with other gear, weapon and water comprised a total weight of around 120+ lbs. My guess is the overwhelming amount of females would have trouble bearing this load, even after extensive training.
They'll have to do it by meeting the same standards as the guys.

We all know that some 6'3" 240# linebackers can barely get through the 12-mile march while other 5'7" 150# stringbeans will not only carry the 95-pound ruck but will haul extra ammo. Yet they're both wearing a Ranger tab.

Same thing for the women. The Army's going to have to figure out minimum standards (they've been experimenting with that at Ranger School for a number of years) and then just wait for the women who are strong enough (and motivated enough) to make the cut. I say "Army" because I'm afraid that the Marines and SEALs are going to let the Army take the initiative.

There's some concern that recovery time (from muscle fatigue as well as lack of sleep) depends on testosterone level. Otherwise I'm not aware of gender differences, and this one may be speculative. The military spouse of my nephew the Army Ranger is smaller and lighter than me, but she could snap my spine like a rotten twig. She certainly outsurfs him, too, and I'm only better on a longboard than her because I have more experience.

Women repeatedly test better in flight simulators than men. As flight hours accumulate, I suspect that the same will prove out in the fleet. And I sure hope it works out in the submarine force, because otherwise the nukes are going to have to reluctantly start serving with Republicans... and maybe even Raiders fans.
 
The military doesn't have the same physical standards for men and women right now, so why would they start having the same standards once integrating women into combat units/career fields? There are certainly areas of combat where women have performed as well or better than many of their male counterparts--snipers, air defense artillery and as partisans during WWII, for example--but the typical female is going to be slower, weaker and less aggressive than the typical male. Why don't most sports--football, basketball, boxing, wrestling, MMA--have mixed gender teams or competitions from the college level upward?

Then you have the psychological impacts of women in combat: American males are raised to be protective of females, which may lead to bad tactical decisions based on this protective upbringing; relationships or love triangles may form which break the cohesion of a unit; mass images of severely wounded female veterans are likely to be more damaging to the nation's morale than severely wounded males.

I'm not vehemently opposed to women in direct ground combat roles, but I don't feel that some egalitarian political statement should be the reason for women in combat. Now if we have a meat grinder of a war like the Eastern Front during WWII, then it's likely we'll have to put women in some ground combat positions much like the Red Army.
 
OK so today I had to go back to my old office to do some work on the computer using my CAC card as I needed to digitally sign a form. I am on terminal leave for a while longer.

Two Captains from the Finance career field asked me about the proposed changes. They are at the 10-11 yr point and one has a line number to 0-4. In both cases they said if this is the case they will leave AD become an IMA so they can start a new career and give their spouses a chance to further their career. One said there is no way I am going to deploy for my 4th time for a 365 and come back for 8 more years of this mess only to get a smaller portion in retirement. Apparently the mid level NCOs feel the same way from what I was hearing from my peers. All were quiet sour on the TSP matching option saying that when they calculated it the NPV was really low.

I could see this really taking out the 03-04/E6-E7 level and creating a huge bathtub in the manning model. Both did acknowledge that if a change was going to happen this was the best chance given the bad economy. They both said though that the only people that would be left would be the ones that were scared or had no options.

JDARNELL
 
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