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Many places are debating to raise the minimum wages. Why don't they pass a law to do away with the tipping and mandate the minimum wages to be paid as salaries?
Maybe they make more than minimum wage now with tips. No one can produce the accounting, but wouldn't you think they'd get a minimum wage job if they weren't already making as much or more?
Many servers make a lot more than minimum wage now, and most restaurants (low, med & high end) I know of seem to have the same regular tipped wage servers for years. Turnover is far worse at fast food restaurants, where they are paid minimum wage, and there is no service - isn't that interesting?
Agreed! Now you can't even get away from the tipping option when ordering carry out. I only enjoy eating out when we go to a place that serves food we will never cook at home.
Oh the unfairness of it all.
I go to a restaurant for a $50 meal, tip is $10 for good service.
I go where its $250 meal and the service is good (the same good, after all how good can you carry a tray and ask "will there be anything else"?) and the tip is $50
.... Why does the baggage handler at the airport need financial incentive to place my bag nicely on the conveyor belt or not put it on the wrong belt and send it to the wrong city?....
I think there is almost zero correlation between tip and service in most cases.
It could be different in a business where you see the same person time and time again (like a hair stylist for some people?), and have an actual 'relationship' - there the tip might mean something. Even there I'm curious - what would a hair stylist do (assuming you make an appointment with a specific person each time, like DW does), if you gave a 10% tip versus a 25% tip (I'm assuming 15-20% is typical?)? Would you get better/worse service the next time?
Funny thing is, the people that I have that sort of 'relationship' with, are places that don't traditionally accept tips (AFAIK). My dental assistant (they can certainly make a difference in your experience if they are careful and take time when they need to, and learn where you are sensitive or need special care), and car mechanics.
If the employee doesn't get enough in tips to make the "regular" minimum wage (including the $2.50 from the employer), then the employer must make up the difference. That's the official guarantee.The law guarantees that all workers are paid at least the minimum wage. However, with $2.50 a hour and tips into the equation, there is no GUARANTEE that the waiters be paid minimum wages. Does that break the law? Even if a waiter does not do well in a day, he is still guaranteed to get the minimum wage no matter what.
It's impossible for a restaurant manager to know how every employee is doing. Furthermore, would you want a restaurant manager following around employees non-stop while they're taking orders, serving food, filling your iced tea, etc., to see if they are polite and doing a good job? The managers (and the owners) have no idea, on average, how each waiter is doing and treating the customers.
You want a law to forbid one person from voluntarily giving money to another person? Maybe this is something that can be solved without the police power of the state.Many places are debating to raise the minimum wages. Why don't they pass a law to do away with the tipping and mandate the minimum wages to be paid as salaries?
You want a law to forbid one person from voluntarily giving money to another person? Maybe this is something that can be solved without the police power of the state.
Why don't they pass a law to do away with the tipping and mandate the minimum wages to be paid as salaries?
Maybe it's just me. I gave the guy who replaced my windshield $20. When someone makes a big delivery at home (furniture, TV, something heavy, etc) I'll give each person a $20.
Just my way of saying "thanks for your help". No one ever looked uncomfortable, embarrassed, offended or ...ever refused.
Really?Originally Posted by MooreBonds View Post
It's impossible for a restaurant manager to know how every employee is doing. Furthermore, would you want a restaurant manager following around employees non-stop while they're taking orders, serving food, filling your iced tea, etc., to see if they are polite and doing a good job? The managers (and the owners) have no idea, on average, how each waiter is doing and treating the customers.
Surely, they have an idea of the number of customer complaints, improperly taken orders, conflicts with other employees, etc. of their employees.
It certainly is. Tips are, by convention and now by US govt guidance, entirely voluntary and entirely at the discretion of the "tipper".The problem is that tipping is not voluntary.
On another note: I wonder if tipping is one reason fast food is so popular in the US compared to many other countries, relative to sit-down restaurants? I doubt it's a huge factor, but it probably plays into things a bit. Apparently many customers are uncomfortable with the whole idea of tipping. That--plus "the price on the menu is what you'll pay" factor, may influence some people to go to a fast food spot rather than being served. Maybe there's a market niche for a moderately-priced sit down restaurant with a well-publicized "no tipping, please" policy. I'd go there.Rev. Rul. 2012-18 reclassifies automatic gratuities as non-tip wages, or service charge income, taxable as regular wages. It defines tips as something given without compulsion and with an unrestricted right to determine the amount, which excludes automatic gratuities.
It certainly is. Tips are, by convention and now by US govt guidance, entirely voluntary and entirely at the discretion of the "tipper".
Maybe so, but the proffered solution was to make tipping against the law. That is, in plain terms, to take away my freedom (jail) or take away the results of hours of my labor (a fine) if I voluntarily decide to give a person a tip. That's a far heavier "club" than the scowls of fellow diners or the howls of protest from a "shorted" waiter. If people get bullied into things they judge to be inappropriate due to social pressure--they need to examine their priorities (see my sig block!).The word that fits here is "hegemony."
Could you behave like the above mentioned movie star and not allow a Tip be given at a table in a fancy restaurant (any definition of "fancy" will do)... even a single time to prove you could do it? I suspect the cultural pressures would be much to great.
Maybe so, but the proffered solution was to make tipping against the law. That is, in plain terms, to take away my freedom (jail) or take away the results of hours of my labor (a fine) if I voluntarily decide to give a person a tip. That's a far heavier "club" than the scowls of fellow diners or the howls of protest from a "shorted" waiter. If people get bullied into things they judge to be inappropriate due to social pressure--they need to examine their priorities (see my sig block!).
Tipping is "customary," not mandatory. I'm sure most of us have left little or nothing in the case of very rude service (don't want to leave nothing--they might think you just forgot).
Given the rules of the game, I tip. On a small tab at a diner with good, attentive service, it's often well over 25%. If there's a "mandatory gratuity" of 15%, then I will never pay a cent more than that--if I'm paying cash, I'll wait for exact change back.
Yep, if they give bad service you need to leave something to show it...
This was a long time ago... but we were eating lunch and the waiter spilled a glass of water on my boss... waiter said very little and mgmt did nothing... his tip was $1... but he put it in a glass of water and turned it upside down on the table...
Good point. Most the really wealthy people that I know, probably including most of the ERs here, were waiters because it is such a lucrative endeavor. It just galls me when I see all those new BMWs and Mercedes parked in the employee lot at my local diner.......................
Because of tipping, food waiters are overpaid. That should not be more than a $12-14/hour job in society. After $3/hour paid by restaurant, they should only get $10/hour in tips -- all they need to do is support $66/hour in restaurant sales to get that.
Of course they get a lot more than that - that's great if they can get it. But I don't appreciate this societal "obligation cr_p" that patrons who do not support the overpaying are low lifes.....
I like the "one step up from McD's" model. In my part of the country, that's Panera Bread. Nicer atmosphere, "better" food, real plates, but you do your own counter pickup and bus your own table. They probably have a tip jar on the counter, but I ignore it.I wonder if tipping is one reason fast food is so popular in the US compared to many other countries, relative to sit-down restaurants? I doubt it's a huge factor, but it probably plays into things a bit. Apparently many customers are uncomfortable with the whole idea of tipping. That--plus "the price on the menu is what you'll pay" factor, may influence some people to go to a fast food spot rather than being served. Maybe there's a market niche for a moderately-priced sit down restaurant with a well-publicized "no tipping, please" policy. I'd go there.
But I don't appreciate this societal "obligation cr_p" that patrons who do not support the overpaying are low lifes.....