Update on Cord Cutting (Cable TV) 2017 - 2020

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I understand your point. But I'm thinking way beyond the initial 5G offerings from AT&T and Verizon, which are unlikely to deliver anything close to the full 5G potential in terms of capacity, bandwidth, and latency. Once that potential is realized, I think it's inevitable that people will start using their mobile 5G for home internet. Or providers will simply merge the two into a single offering.

It's VERY early in 5G deployment. Ultimately, there will be lots of 5G networks and the usual long list of MVNOs who buy and resell wholesale access. So it's also too early to know what kind of creative bundles, service tiers, and pricing options will be available once these networks are fully deployed and performing to specification. But I'm quite confident there will be unlimited anywhere plans.

5G offers considerably higher system capacity compared to 4G, plus ultra-low (1ms) latency and initial bandwidth similar to today's fastest wired consumer networks... and real-world expectations in the range of 10-20 Gbps. At that level of performance and capacity, some VERY interesting things will start to happen... like autonomous cars talking to each other in real-time, and IOT devices connecting directly to the 5G network instead of WiFi. Perhaps WiFi will be obsolete at some point. And yes, back to my original point, I think that's when wired ISPs will need to be more competitive on price for unbundled internet.

They impose limits on tethering now. Either it’s not at full LTE speed or they limit how much tethered devices can download at LTE speed.

So it would be a big surprise if you can use a 5G phone as hotspot for unlimited data to your PCs at full 5G speeds.
 
F came over last night and we watched a show from Netflix that he likes. It was one of those shows with the master thieves stealing a Gutenberg Bible, including a Chinese gymnast to vault over the electronic protections, ho hum. How many bazillion times have we all seen shows like that in our lifetimes.

Anyway, while he was in the process of figuring out how to get his Netflix going on my TV (which we don't do often), I saw a couple of the most hideously objectionable commercials ever on my OTA TV connection.

Honestly after hardly watching any TV for a few years, I am blown away that anybody who has taken Psych 101 would subject themselves to all the subliminal persuasion in the ads and even in the shows themselves. As you can tell, watching TV with me is just as much fun as a barrel of monkeys. (not! :ROFLMAO: ). I am the one sitting on the sidelines saying, "Did you see what they did there?" instead of enjoying the show.

I'll stop now. REWahoo, I sincerely hope you like your new TV! It sounds like a terrific device, and good job in Blowing That Dough. And I hope that unlike me, you can find some shows that you like once that fiber connection is in place. Most people enjoy TV shows, and love streaming them, especially the commercial free versions.
 
We purchased and installed a 65" 4K UHD TV yesterday, replacing our 55" HD TV. In a nod to the "blow that dough" thread, we didn't need it but simply wanted it. This is in anticipation of the long awaited (243 months and counting) availability of reliable fiber broadband from our Rural Electric Co-op, which is currently under construction (finally!).

We hope to be hooked up by the end of February, have the cord cut, and rely on OTA and streaming as our only sources of video entertainment.

Goodbye satellite.:greetings10:

You will love it. Think of all the extra pizza and beer money you will have! I added one more source - DVD rentals from the public library. Patience pays of big time. Just a few months ago I DVD'd my way through the just finished season of Game of Drones - all that gore and killing for free!
 
How I cut the cord and cut my cable bill in half

After 20 years of paying Comcast for cable TV, internet and phone, I decided to cut the cord, well sort of.

Ok, a few facts and figures first. In our household, we pretty much had everything Comcast had to offer. HD TV with a DVR set top box, a second HD set top box for the upstairs TV, all the major pay channels (HBO, Showtime, Starz, and Cinemax), their VOIP landline phone service and their ISP services (internet). This bundle of services is named the “Triple Play Package”. For this package, our last full cable bill was $236.39 per month. I understand a 5% increase is slated for February 2019.

I also subscribe to two streaming services: Amazon Prime ($119/year) and Netflix ($10.99/month), two nice services with some spectacular original content. So all together, I was paying nearly $260/month for entertainment, internet access and a VOIP landline. When I totaled it up, cable entertainment, internet and phone cost a whopping (at least to me) $3087.56/year. Some might quibble that the free shipping included with Amazon Prime brings the cost of that service down a bit. I quite agree and suggest that my real cost for Amazon Prime content is closer to $5.00/month (I factored in the savings in shipping costs for Amazon purchases) and so total annual cost is close to $3028.56. My goal is to halve the annual cost of internet enabled entertainment. Read on to see if I have achieved my goal and allow me to share with you my experiences and lessons learned. I would say that pretty much anyone with a basic consumer understanding of streaming content over the internet, RF coax connections, and HD TV antennas can be successful in cutting the cord.

I had a few goals besides lowering my cable bill that I needed to achieve before I could claim success. My wife is not nearly as great a consumer of TV content as her husband. Nor is she particularly technical or electronic savvy. The new TV watching paradigm must be user friendly for my wife. With this in mind, I’d like to offer a couple of comments regarding Comcast and their Xfinity products. I truly believe that the Xfinity X1 service offered by Comcast is first rate. The user interface is really quite good. The DVR functionality and ability to view live and recorded content remote from your home is a very nice service. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to use the X1 system. So the new system needed to approach the X1 level of simplicity. I am also a news junkie, so I wanted to have continued access to CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, and for the strange and fictional news, Fox and Fox Business. I also follow a few shows on Comedy Central and TBS that I want to continue. A major goal was to be able to DVR content from the major networks – ABC, CBS and NBC. Last, I want to be able stream this content to wherever I happen to be.

I’ve been thinking about cord cutting for a few years and have been following product developments that would enable me to achieve my goals. The recent introduction of the Amazon Recast was the final piece that allowed me to take the plunge and cut the Comcast cord – almost.

My new system is composed of the following:
Samsung Smart TV
Sony Dumb TV
Amazon Recast
Onkyo 5.1 Receiver (circa 2000)
Amazon Fire TV Cube (includes IR blaster to control your receiver or DVD, ETC.)
Amazon Fire TV Stick
Clear Stream 2 Max Antenna from Antenna Direct
Amazon Fire TV Stick remote control with volume control

I created the final system a little bit at a time over the last year of so.
First, I purchased the Fire TV Stick for the upstairs dumb Sony HD TV. I wanted to add Netflix and Amazon Prime functionality to this TV. Wow, great user installation experience. Super simple to setup and away we go. Simply plug it in to a HDMI slot on your TV, switch the TV source input to the Fire TV Stick HDMI port, and follow the on screen instructions.
Next, based on my experience with the Fire TV Stick, I purchased the Fire TV Cube when it first came out. The Cube differs from the Fire TV Stick in several important ways. The Cube incorporates the Alexis application. Wasn’t sure how useful Alexis was going to be, but more on that later. The Cube can also control other pieces of your entertainment equipment like my old Onkyo 5.1 Receiver. The receiver is not smart but is remotely controllable via an IR remote. I was able to easily setup the Cube to control receiver’s input, power and volume via an included IR blaster accessory. An early implementation had the Cube control the Xfinity set top box as well. The Cube provides a platform to support the other streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime from a common user interface and remote control.
The last piece was the Amazon Recast and a high quality HD antenna.
The Recast provides the ability to watch and record Over The Air (OTA) content. The key for me is the ability of the Recast to record OTA content and instantly fast forward or rewind this content while viewing. Using the remote one can fast forward 30 seconds with the push of the fast forward button or rewind 10 seconds with the press of the rewind button. Alternatively, you can speak to the remote and say “forward 4 minutes” and instantly content is advanced 4 minutes and the same for the rewind function.
My experience with HD antennas showed that type and placement of the antenna is critical. In the Portland metro area, I am able to scan and lock onto 48 OTA channels. I live about 10 miles from the major TV transmission towers serving Portland. The first antenna I used was a Mohu Leaf 30 mile amplified indoor antenna. I had difficulty positioning the antenna on a window that pointed in the right direction to get all the OTA network channels. The window at the front of the house was able to lock on to CBS and ABC but not NBC. The back window locked on to NBC but failed to lock on to CBS. I then moved the antenna to the attic above the garage thinking higher and better direction with fewer walls would help. It did partially, as I could lock on to all three major networks but the signal quality was poor. Not a satisfactory solution. I figured that a better antenna was the solution. I researched and settled on an Antenna Direct Clear Stream 2 Max antenna. Wow, what a difference. I was able to scan and lock on all 48 channels with good signal quality. Regardless of how good the antenna is, direction is critical. I ended up using an application on the Antenna Direct website that maps your location to the transmission towers providing compass vectors so you can accurately aim your antenna to the transmitters. I used the compass app on my IPhone to assist in lining up the antenna. I noticed that antenna miss alignment of a just a few degrees makes a difference. I could probably get better signal quality if I attached the antenna to an outside wall pointed at the towers but so far so good. I am a little concerned that as the trees on my property between the antenna and towers leaf out this spring and summer that signal quality may degrade. We’ll see. So now I have the ability to DVR (now a verb) all major networks with HD video quality.
One more note. The Recast box sends all its content via WIFI to the Fire TV Stick or Cube which then sends the video and audio via HDMI to the TV. I control the Recast box from the Fire TV app on my IPhone or from the Fire TV Stick or Cube on screen menus. The cool thing is the Recast box does not need to be located near TVs, just on the same WIFI network. I located the Recast box in the house near an unused cable TV connection. The antenna is located in the attic 12 feet above the garage floor. I re-purposed the coax cable installed in my house to feed the antenna signal to the Recast box. It would be pretty inconvenient to go up and down the ladder and back into the house each time I adjusted the antenna to rescan channels to check for improved signal quality. Instead, I could stand next to the antenna, run the Recast channel scan function on my IPhone and see if the latest adjustment did the trick. The Fire TV app indicates whether the signal strength for each TV channel is sufficient, if not, make a new adjustment and rerun the scan until satisfied.
The next issue to tackle was to fill in the other channels I want to access. The simple solution was to add a HULU subscription. HULU offers a raft of channels including the major network channels, but their DVR function adds a substantial monthly cost. I choose the $39.99 HULU + Live TV package. This provides all the channels I wish to watch. If PAC 12 games are important, you can checkout the offerings from Sling or Fubo.
The upstairs TV has the lower cost Amazon Fire TV Stick. Both can access the Amazon Recast (OTA channels), HULU, Netflix and Amazon Prime. I also added Starz because we are in the middle of watching Counterpart and Outlander. I expect to cancel the Starz package once we have watched the current season. Alternatively, I expect to renew an HBONow subscription when Real-Time with Bill Maher & Game of Thrones returns and the same with Showtime when Homeland & Billions returns.
Now the solution is complete and the user experience is close to the quality of the Xfinity X1 system. My wife can easily navigate the system and watch what interests her. As a result, the monthly payment to Comcast has shrunk to $49.99 (still using Comcast as ISP provider) resulting in a savings of $186.40 per month. The landline was mostly used by telemarketers and robo callers so cancelling the landline is no hardship. We now use our mobile phones exclusively.

Here are the components I purchased to allow cord cutting.
Total One Time investment: $567.85
Fire TV Cube $89.99
Fire TV Stick $24.99
Fire TV remote with volume control $29.99
Amazon Recast $229.99
Netgear C6300 Cable Modem and Wireless Router $124.99
Antenna Direct Clear Stream 2 HD Antenna $54.95
Coax cable $12.95

Old Total Recurring Expense: $252.38
Comcast $236.39 (includes ISP, landline, two cable boxes and modem/router, HD DVR, Showtime, HBO, Starz, Cinemax)
Netflix $10.99
Amazon Prime $5.00

New Total Recurring Expense: $114.96
Comcast internet service $49.99
HULU $39.99
Netflix $10.99
Amazon $5.00
Starz $8.99

Number of months to break even on the one time hardware investment: 4.1
Monthly savings: $137.42 or 54% reduction in monthly entertainment costs or over $1600/year.
Goals Achieved!

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Alexis' functions
I mentioned that the Amazon Fire TV Cube incorporates Alexis’ personal assistant functions. I had never used Alexis before and found it to be intriguing and actually useful. This is a partial list of what we use Alexis for:
We use it to turn on or turn off the TV and receiver
Change TV volume
Set a kitchen timer
Control a Nest Thermostat
Control an Orbit Bhyve WIFI Sprinkler Timer
Check the weather forecast
Answer the odd question
Play music
Find movies

I want to offer a note about the Amazon remote control. I really dislike having a coffee table with six remotes. We seldom view DVDs, preferring to stream new movie content, so the DVD player is gathering dust and no remote needed. The remote for the receiver is rarely used since it’s mostly setup and the volume and power is controlled via the Cube. The Fire TV user interface is controlled by the Amazon remote easily selecting live channels or streaming content. The only problem was the standard Fire TV Stick or Cube remote which has no volume function. So you could either say “Alexis increase/decrease volume” which is kind of annoying or grab the TV remote which for me is undesirable. Enter the new Amazon Fire Remote with volume and mute control for $30. I think it’s a rip off but it is a more elegant solution. Hopefully, this will become the standard Fire TV remote soon.
 
...Enter the new Amazon Fire Remote with volume and mute control for $30. I think it’s a rip off but it is a more elegant solution.

I bought the Cube about a month before it started shipping with the improved remote. Called Amazon CS. They put a $30 credit on my account, which enabled me to get the new remote for free. They now sell for $14.99. I agree it's a great remote.... only one we use, which keeps things simple for DW.
 
davidfin, great detailed writeup! One thing I did that is slightly different is I bought an omnidirectional antenna for my attic and also use a 4 port amplifier at the coax cable input end and then run short coax output cables to 2 silicon dust homerun boxes, (each allows 2 simultaneous channels for recording on my HTPC), so I can record up to 4 shows concurrently and the other 2 amplifier outputs run coax direct to 2 TVS.
 
Yes, I found an in-line RF amplifier to be very useful in boosting antenna signal quality. The Amazon Recast 1Tbyte version includes four tuners.
 
Anyway, while he was in the process of figuring out how to get his Netflix going on my TV (which we don't do often), I saw a couple of the most hideously objectionable commercials ever on my OTA TV connection.

Honestly after hardly watching any TV for a few years, I am blown away that anybody who has taken Psych 101 would subject themselves to all the subliminal persuasion in the ads and even in the shows themselves.

I'm with you 100%. I make it a point to avoid watching anything on TV that subjects me to commercials, and on the rare occasions where I do have to watch them, it utterly boggles my mind how anyone would willingly sit through hours and hours of these abominations each and every week. I mean, in just one hour of regular, prime time TV, you're subjected to nearly 20 whole minutes of ads! The DVR revolution has thoroughly spoiled me, I guess.
 
Great topic... great information, but I admit I haven't read every post tho.

I am in the midst of looking into cutting the cord. To see how the OTA might work at home I went to Goodwill and found a TERK antenna for $5. I figured I had nothing to lose in trying this. I took it home connected it to my bedroom TV and it works great! Crystal clear reception on all the important channels. Given I'm still in the transition stage I set up a switch to go between cable and OTA. It isn't pretty, but it works.

So now I'm looking at ways to really cut the cord!

My goals are
1) have a simple guide interface for OTA and streaming services.
2) the OTA channels should be accessible on all TV's with just 1 antenna.
3) DVR for OTA & Streaming (although streaming to a lesser extent)

I also wanted to be sure all the channels I need are supported by the streaming service e.g. History, HGTV, CNBC, sports, PBS, etc. I also have Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO and SHowtime.

So, bottom line, my search ends up with deciding to use AirTV and Sling.

I guess I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Mostly because there are so many options out there. But given my goals I'm hoping this is the best choice. I 'd appreciate any feedback especially if someone else has this set up.

Thanks,

Bob D
 
We purchased and installed a 65" 4K UHD TV yesterday, replacing our 55" HD TV. In a nod to the "blow that dough" thread, we didn't need it but simply wanted it. This is in anticipation of the long awaited (243 months and counting) availability of reliable fiber broadband from our Rural Electric Co-op, which is currently under construction (finally!).

We hope to be hooked up by the end of February, have the cord cut, and rely on OTA and streaming as our only sources of video entertainment.

Goodbye satellite.:greetings10:

Is it OLED? God, we love ours!
 
That is actually fairly common. People that keep their cable internet and change to Dish or Direct TV via satellite dish for instance. Also all the cord cutters need internet from somewhere.



I would recommend your friend check out the flex package with Dish. It is their cheapest package (no sports) and you can add various packages if you wish. By hooking your internet up to the dish hopper, you can also watch NetFlix and Youtube via the Dish Hopper.

Actually, Dish's cheapest programming package is Welcome Pack... it isn't available on their website... you have to call them to get it... $20/more IIRC. it includes locals and some cable channels but is a pretty skinny package. We use it mainly because we don't get OTA.
 
Thanks! What a cool site! It has come in very handy.

What it shows me is that I still need to keep my antenna as PBS is not carried by any provider. And I don't see an option for local WGN, just WGN America, which doesn't seem to be carried either.

But it is helpful to understand what is most optimal for the other entires!

Thanks again!
 
The DVR revolution has thoroughly spoiled me, I guess.

Yep, I DVR about 95% of what I watch, even with sports I'll set the game for recording and start watching about 1 hr after the game starts so I can skip through all the commercials and half time garbage. Usually finish watching just shortly after game finishes in real time.
 
Is it OLED? God, we love ours!

Same here. Whenever DW and I sit down and watch something - especially things like Planet Earth or a movie like Samsara or Baraka - we comment on the stunning picture quality.

Did you get yours professionally calibrated? I'd been wondering if it would be worth it.
 
Thanks! What a cool site! It has come in very handy.

What it shows me is that I still need to keep my antenna as PBS is not carried by any provider. And I don't see an option for local WGN, just WGN America, which doesn't seem to be carried either.

But it is helpful to understand what is most optimal for the other entires!

Thanks again!

We stream PBS. Go to their website. We use their App on our AppleTV. You need to be a member to get programming over 2 weeks old which requires access to the PBS Passport.

We didn’t get a decent PBS signal at home, and it was coming from one of the worst PBS stations broadcasting from 60+ miles away. So we signed up for our old Central Texas PBS station for their passport membership and stream their content.
 
Same here. Whenever DW and I sit down and watch something - especially things like Planet Earth or a movie like Samsara or Baraka - we comment on the stunning picture quality.

Did you get yours professionally calibrated? I'd been wondering if it would be worth it.

Samsara, Bakara? Hmmm have to look for that - sounds intriguing. Central Asia?
 
No, I seriously considered an OLED but in the end, just could not get past the $2k price tag. LBYM is a tough habit to break, so I had to make do with only bending it. :)

So, how many more TVs do you expect to buy?

That is starting to figure into our decisions on large purchases.
 
Great thread. I really need to get this rolling. Comcast bill is over $200. Cox bill at snowbird condo is $175 when we are there. Just bought an amazon fire stick. Just got to put something together that DW will approve of.
 
What it shows me is that I still need to keep my antenna as PBS is not carried by any provider.
We stream PBS. Go to their website. We use their App on our AppleTV. You need to be a member to get programming over 2 weeks old which requires access to the PBS Passport.

We didn’t get a decent PBS signal at home, and it was coming from one of the worst PBS stations broadcasting from 60+ miles away. So we signed up for our old Central Texas PBS station for their passport membership and stream their content.
We also stream PBS using PBS Passport, it costs $60/yr minimum. You do lose some regional programming vs OTA (e.g. we lost America’s Test Kitchen among others) and you have to choose a local PBS station. That gives you local/regional PBS content, but it’s not transferable ***. And to my surprise, you can get PBS Newshour on YouTube free long before it appears on Passport (hours later) and actually an hour before it airs live OTA in Chicago?

*** We expect to move to another state this year, so we’ll have to decide between Chicago and the new location - you’re locked in for a year when you subscribe. So choose carefully, especially if you might relocate.
 
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