Texarkandy
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Consider: Hilary/Edwards vs McCain/Watts
Who would win that one?
Who would win that one?
Well, they were/are entertainers & self-promoters and everybody knows/knew it. Even they knew they didn't have a snowballs chance of a nomination (and not because of their race). They were only in it to keep their own careers in the media spotlight.
"Race hustling poverty pimps" in the words of J.C. Watts (look for him by the way as a surprise on McCains short-list for VP possibles)
Quality? Afraid I'll have to question that characterization loosechickens. (I'm sure he's a quality person - but as a presidential candidate I don't think he's necessarily earned that stripe.)
Sure, he's not a clown like those other two - but "quality" - how about "perceived quality" - and how much does that "perception" of quality stem from the fact that he's the first black (well, semi) candidate who is young, good looking, has some genuine credentials (academic as they may be), and happens to be a very good (inspiring to some) public speaker.
But, where's the beef? His platform is not really all that different from Hilary's (and the generic democratic playbook). It seems to me calculated to win an election - not anything really new there. (big nanny govt will solve your problems & we'll "tax the rich" to pay for it)
He has minimal legislative experience; zero foreign policy experience; and zero executive (CEO or Governor) type experience. There's no track record there - it's all academic theory.
Sure he's got plenty of "vision" - "vision" & $3.65 will get you a Latte at Starbucks in Northern Virginia.
On a public radio show the other night, a guest was saying that if Obama were white, that he would already have easily won the nomination. What do you think?
Quality?
He has minimal legislative experience; zero foreign policy experience; and zero executive (CEO or Governor) type experience. There's no track record there - it's all academic theory.
I think most people see a difference between the war on terror (Afghanistan, Covert Ops, intel, etc) and Iraq. Of course Iraq is a terrorist magnet now. But that was not the case before we invaded.
I think most people believe one of two things about Iraq: GWB and his crew made a judgment error or they intentionally misled us. He was at best wrong and perhaps he was worse than wrong. Either way, most of us went along because of the threat of WMD... including me. Now that I know they distorted the truth (and facts), I have little respect for the man.
Hmmm, that also a very apt description of candidates JFK in 1960 and John Edwards in 2004, 2008. Of course, you have your own views of what constitutes quality candidates or great presidents. As I recall, Lincoln was not a great president in your view; perhaps you're still seething over Lincoln's decision to suspend habeas corpus during the Civil War (or is it still the War Between the States for you.)
Hmmm, that also a very apt description of candidates JFK in 1960 and John Edwards in 2004, 2008. Of course, you have your own views of what constitutes quality candidates or great presidents. As I recall, Lincoln was not a great president in your view; perhaps you're still seething over Lincoln's decision to suspend habeas corpus during the Civil War (or is it still the War Between the States for you.)
If Watts weren't so far removed from Washington that most have forgotten about him, I'd say it would be a brilliant pick, IF Hillary wins because the superdelegates take away from Obama.Consider: Hilary/Edwards vs McCain/Watts
Who would win that one?
Superdelegates pick Clinton. McCain gets Obama to RINO himself and picks Obama has his running mate.
In a fit of blind passion, Bloomberg jumps in with Buffet as his running mate to challenge.
I just hope the superdelegates don't override the people's choice here. It would be ironic if some of these superdelegates were the same people who complained that Gore received more popular votes than Bush.
.......... But I think that HRC's talking about how the delegates should choose her for her experience over Obama's possible lead in popular votes will work against her. It just makes her sound pompous, like 'I know what is good for you, and it's me'. ......
-ERD50
If Watts weren't so far removed from Washington that most have forgotten about him, I'd say it would be a brilliant pick, IF Hillary wins because the superdelegates take away from Obama.
But really, he's been out of Congress (and the public eye) for what, 8 years now?
'I know what is good for you, and it's me'
But that's exactly the mindset that appeals to many in this country (regardless of political affiliation) for whom the issues have become too complex and real freedom too scary. (Just put it in a nutshell for me & tell me what to do - or take my money & do it for me)
Superdelegates pick Clinton. McCain gets Obama to RINO himself and picks Obama has his running mate.
In a fit of blind passion, Bloomberg jumps in with Buffet as his running mate to challenge.
I would have to say you are most probably right on that. He is a big buddy of McCain though.
Make it Jimmy, and I'm in!
...I think that Obama could would soothe a lot of the fear, loathing, and distrust that much of the rest of the world has toward the U.S.
If we're not willing to do the things we need to do as a country to "change" (ugh...), then it's all just masturbation...
So you're saying we need a leader who is charismatic, inspirational, and gives good speeches.