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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Actually, the cost of manufacturing EVs is NOT coming down drastically... Just look at margins reported in quarterly financial reports. This is true for pretty much everyone except for Tesla... And Tesla is single-handedly pushing the price down, so others need to either follow or just sell less.
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    I got it a couple weeks ago on the X and the 3. The X has since gotten 12.3.1. I haven't been able to try it in the X because it's my wife's daily driver and she doesn't like it when I use FSD with her and the kids in the car. I've used it a bit on my 3, but my commute through neighborhood...
  3. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    I wrote "free" in quotes because for now, there is an option for non-tesla vehicles to get the same rate for energy as Tesla vehicles with a low-cost subscription.
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Opening the Superchargers to other manufacturer vehicles is bitter sweet. Tesla did a great thing for EV owners and EV adoption. It's a huge advantage that they are giving up basically for "free," but it does align with their mission and it is an important step to unlock the next phase of mass...
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    That's way too linear. There's no way it will happen that way. It could be sooner or later, but it's going to be sharper.
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    This is wrong. In 2012, Tesla did initially recommend regular annual maintenance service, but that recommendation was eliminated in 2013 and they changed it to an optional annual inspection before later dropping that altogether. I owned a Model S from early 2013 so this is first-hand knowledge...
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Rental fleets with Tesla vehicles will soon use the new Tesla API that was recently opened to 3rd parties and allows fleet management. This will mimic what Tesla has been able to do with their service loaner vehicles -- where a Tesla owner can have the vehicle placed temporarily onto their...
  8. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Yeah. They're half, I believe.
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    I haven't looked into it myself, but maybe you should... Before you gift the car to your daughter, worth looking at something like keysavvy or similar to see if you/daughter can get the used EV tax credit by processing the transaction as a licensed-dealer sale.
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    I wish it were that easy... there is peak, partial-peak, and off-peak (even though 99+% of my charging is off-peak, there are still some events where the vehicle wakes and triggers the EVSE and it pulls a few Wh here and there). Then there are weekday vs weekend (vs holidays) differences. Then...
  11. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Here's the 1-year charge statistics for my Model X averaging 312Wh/mi. The at-home costs aren't correct as it assumes 28¢/kWh but I pay a bit less than that. This is about 15,000 miles. My Model 3 saw almost no miles this year, but the average on that car is just around 200Wh/mi.
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Don't hold your breath. These companies have been trying to build EVs for about a decade at this point. Their current offerings are far from their first attempts. It's impossible to build anything good if you don't believe in your own product. The chances of one of the dedicated EV companies...
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    I understand that part, but there will still be income limits.
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    The credit at POS is going to be great, but I wonder how the income limit will be calculated/enforced. Do you need to predict your current year income? Do you pay back up to $7,500 at tax filing time the following year? Haven't really looked into it because we're way over the limits but this may...
  15. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Yes... I believe it's the USA content of the car... The federal government waived (or loosened) the requirements for the first year (2023).
  16. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    No idea, but Cybertruck is 17".
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    "Following Thursday’s Cybertruck delivery event, Tesla decided to cash in..." Ummm... Thursday? They decided to "cash in" in 2019 when they started selling T-shirts with the broken glass printed on them.
  18. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Don't succumb to FUD. We can speculate all we want, but judging by the crash and safety ratings of all their previous vehicles, my money is on Tesla delivering a truck far safer than anything we've seen before. The Model S, X, 3, and Y are arguably the safest vehicles ever tested by safety...
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Jason Cammisa talks about the Cybertruck on the Hagerty Podcast: Among the many golden nuggets of information, is the fact that the Cybertruck doesn't have side-impact door beams because the exterior door panels are just so strong. It's made of Tesla-developed blend of stainless steel (named...
  20. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Absolutely correct. Every now and then, someone needs to rethink everything and start from the ground up. BTW, I think the Cybertruck lowers itself for ease of entry/exit. A truck isn't for me either, but the Cybertruck is intriguing. A lot of the changes will propagate into the other...
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    I think the best videos in the Cybertruck right now are MKBHD and Jason Cammisa. I would clarify both as mostly neutral with a slight negative take on Tesla. However, their negative is not based on malicious intent or blind hatred of EV or Elon or anything like that. Their negativity is based on...
  22. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    As audreyh1 said, great performance (and most of the advantages of EVs) is just a "side-effect". To get more range, you need more to store more energy, which means more cells in parallel, which means you can release energy more rapidly (more power), which gives you more performance. Something...
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    He's referring to the DBE (dry battery electrode) process that is a dry manufacturing process versus using a slurry that is then dried. This saves money in the manufacturing process. Tesla acquired Maxwell Technologies a few years ago who had started to develop this process and relevant patents...
  24. K

    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    Not sure why you get hung up on how much it costs or how it's paid for. Autopilot is "free" on all Tesla vehicles. Does that change your opinion on it? Would you no longer expect it to take liability just because it's included in the vehicle purchase price?
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    Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

    The cost always comes from the customer, one way or another. Automatic emergency braking could cause you to be rear-ended. You can split hairs all you want. There will always be differences between different things. But remember your original statement: "Yikes, so you pay $16k for a chance to...
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