meanmrmustard
Confused about dryer sheets
Hi. I’m 50 year old lawyer. Wife same age, home with 4 kids aged 11 – 19. Downtown Toronto Canada. House paid off in 1999 (mortgage interest not deductible here in great white north, so greater incentive to pay it off asap). No debt. Savings, mostly in equities, $4 million (above and beyond house) achieved through combination of high earnings (varies widely year to year, but in good years can reach $1.8 million pre-income tax), relatively low spending (small house, two mediocre cars that we typically drive for eight or ten years or until they give out, fairly unsnazzy life style mostly consisting of long hours at work and making most of weekends with kids) and reasonably successful investing (about 7% per year compounded since January 1 2000 v. indexes which gained little or nothing over same period). Strong interest in investing. Must read Wall Street Journal every day, plus UK and Canadian financial and general interest papers or suffer junkie-like withdrawal symptoms. Hard to give a precise figure on annual spending because money seems to leak from many holes in the bathtub on teenager/kid stuff such as lessons, money for movies, concerts, skiing, clothes, food (difficult to dine out with family of six for less than $150), excursions, once a year trips (travel is expensive when you have to pay for six airline tickets and two maybe three hotel rooms). I would say maybe expenses are maybe $100,000 per annum, excluding income tax (many $hundreds of K every year paid in income taxes – by far my biggest expenditure). Three younger kids are in public schools which are good here, but oldest is in university at lower cost (roughly 16K per annum all in) than would be the case in the US because government subsidizes universities to a greater extent than in US. Health care is “free” (i.e. my taxes pay for our family’s plus many other people’s). I practice litigation in highly complex and specialized field. Hours ridiculously long. Much drudgery. Antagonism with other lawyers common. Court appearances and cross-examinations are stressful, even after 25 years of practice. Not surprisingly, early retirement has crossed my mind.
My assessment (if you disagree, let me know) is that ER is achievable financially. If I stop working extraordinary income taxes would mercifully stop. (There would still be taxes on interest and capital gains). Calculators, including the excellent FIRECalc calculator, seem to indicate no “failure” (i.e. won’t go bust), even in worst market scenario. “Retirement” would probably consist of spending a lot more time on investing, with possibly better results (can’t be sure), not much travel since kids are in school. Moving not feasible due to kids in school, aging parents in city, social and emotional links etc. I would pursue various creative or athletic interests. I was a commercial artist and free-lance writer back in law school days (law school is boring as hell, ya gotta do something to keep yourself entertained).
I just found this site. Seems great! It makes me wonder: why I am still working?
Hmmm. Various alternate, contradictory theories (I’m spilling my guts here people!): (1) Duty to clients: I’m in the middle of various lawsuits, most at appellate level, can’t leave clients in the lurch; (2) Theory 1 is a lie, no one’s irreplaceable; real problem is I’m chicken; (3) Duty to partners: I’m head of firm and rainmaker; partners and associates screwed if I leave as legal work might go elsewhere; (4) Theory 4 possibly a lie, reality maybe is it’s hard to walk away from prestige of being court room big shot (much as I may despise the life), might be hard to adjust to being anonymous guy in sneakers hanging around the public library; (5) Don’t know what I would do with myself and don’t want to face possibility I’d wander around uselessly; (6) Theory 5 probably a lie, as I have many interests and like to read a lot, plus I work out fairly seriously and would love to do more in that department, also both my parents and wife’s are aging and will need assistance and more help soon.
Another thing. I throw this out for what it is worth, and would be interested in comments. I do not know a single person who has retired early. Occasionally lunching with lawyer/business types who I assume may have similar assets, I ask whether early retirement is in the cards. The response is astonishment. I am not sure if this is because people lack the money, so the option has not seriously occurred to them or because they love the life they lead.
My assessment (if you disagree, let me know) is that ER is achievable financially. If I stop working extraordinary income taxes would mercifully stop. (There would still be taxes on interest and capital gains). Calculators, including the excellent FIRECalc calculator, seem to indicate no “failure” (i.e. won’t go bust), even in worst market scenario. “Retirement” would probably consist of spending a lot more time on investing, with possibly better results (can’t be sure), not much travel since kids are in school. Moving not feasible due to kids in school, aging parents in city, social and emotional links etc. I would pursue various creative or athletic interests. I was a commercial artist and free-lance writer back in law school days (law school is boring as hell, ya gotta do something to keep yourself entertained).
I just found this site. Seems great! It makes me wonder: why I am still working?
Hmmm. Various alternate, contradictory theories (I’m spilling my guts here people!): (1) Duty to clients: I’m in the middle of various lawsuits, most at appellate level, can’t leave clients in the lurch; (2) Theory 1 is a lie, no one’s irreplaceable; real problem is I’m chicken; (3) Duty to partners: I’m head of firm and rainmaker; partners and associates screwed if I leave as legal work might go elsewhere; (4) Theory 4 possibly a lie, reality maybe is it’s hard to walk away from prestige of being court room big shot (much as I may despise the life), might be hard to adjust to being anonymous guy in sneakers hanging around the public library; (5) Don’t know what I would do with myself and don’t want to face possibility I’d wander around uselessly; (6) Theory 5 probably a lie, as I have many interests and like to read a lot, plus I work out fairly seriously and would love to do more in that department, also both my parents and wife’s are aging and will need assistance and more help soon.
Another thing. I throw this out for what it is worth, and would be interested in comments. I do not know a single person who has retired early. Occasionally lunching with lawyer/business types who I assume may have similar assets, I ask whether early retirement is in the cards. The response is astonishment. I am not sure if this is because people lack the money, so the option has not seriously occurred to them or because they love the life they lead.