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12-10-2007, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bongo2
The most famous classic blunder is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never start an internet debate with a whole forum of retired people with nothing but time on their hands.
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True. Much better to simply assert that something flies "in the face of all mores and common sense" and then refuse to defend it. Suffice to say that I disagree with your unsubstantiated assertion.
P.S. - I like the Princess Bride reference!
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12-10-2007, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by armor99
I may get flammed for my posting.... but I just could not resist. I think the point that most here are missing, is that there is nothing wrong with being selfish. Selfishness does not mean never helping others, it just means not helping others, at the expense of yourself. I would think that the goal of most peoples lives, including mine, is to gain as much happiness for ourselves as possible. If ER is your goal, then you should feel happy in your persuit of that goal. If anyone has the attitude of "Well if I cannot retire early.... then neither should you", is insane.
Being called selfish seems to be one of those "boogeymen" in our society. And I have seen people do all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to persuade others that ER somehow benefits "society as a whole", or "their fellow citizens", or even, "the common good", because of course they never want to be "selfish".
The fact is that for us to be happy and successful in life, there is a certain amount of "selfishness" that we need to employ. Taking care of yourself and your family the best way that you can, should hardly be considered a "bad" thing. And is it selfish to want to take care of yourself and your family the best way you can? Of course it is selfish! And this is not a bad thing.....
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Charity begins at home...then, hopefully, expands... 
You are right...this is a forum with a lot of ER'd people who are prepared to defend their choice! 
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12-10-2007, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bongo2
The most famous classic blunder is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never start an internet debate with a whole forum of retired people with nothing but time on their hands.
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Wise man.
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12-10-2007, 11:30 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
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I think its rather selfish of Bongo to avoid a debate.
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Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
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12-10-2007, 11:33 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny
I think its rather selfish of Bongo to avoid a debate.
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No it isn't.
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12-10-2007, 11:36 AM
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No it isn't.
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Hey, you're a mod emeritus again... he can't raise our workload!
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12-10-2007, 01:18 PM
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Selfish  ? Me!!!! INCONCEIVABLE!!!! 
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12-10-2007, 03:03 PM
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See? Theres that numbers in the username troublemaker thing again... 
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Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
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12-11-2007, 12:10 AM
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Ah, Princess Bride, top ten movie all time. "Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya! You killed my father prepare to die!" - that's probably the jist of what most ER's thought when you posted they were selfish, bongo and armor!
How did that avocado thing start? Top ten ER board fighting words IMHO. 
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12-11-2007, 07:12 AM
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The famous forum avocado started in this thread: http://www.early-retirement.org/foru...html#msg126042
After reading that thread I'm convinced this place has become much too serious and a lot less entertaining.
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12-11-2007, 08:35 AM
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No more lawyer stuff, no more political stuff, so no more CYA
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12-11-2007, 10:41 AM
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Funny thread. I remember that morning. Laurence emailed me that he was bored and eventually suggested that we stage a fake fight in a thread. Halfway through he got scared that he went too far.
Good morning laugh...
INCONCEIVABLE!
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Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
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12-11-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny
I think its rather selfish of Bongo to avoid a debate.
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Originally Posted by REWahoo
No it isn't.
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Well, I don't know about that, but it is against all mores and common sense...
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12-11-2007, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny
Funny thread. I remember that morning. Laurence emailed me that he was bored and eventually suggested that we stage a fake fight in a thread. Halfway through he got scared that he went too far.
Good morning laugh...
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So...does that mean that Ted never existed? 
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12-12-2007, 10:48 AM
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Well....it turns out that I have a dog named Ted, frankly I dont keep track of him for hours at a time...and he is often seen laying like a large meatloaf in the living room near the computer...
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Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
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12-12-2007, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny
Well....it turns out that I have a dog named Ted, frankly I dont keep track of him for hours at a time...and he is often seen laying like a large meatloaf in the living room near the computer...
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Let's see...you have a couple other dogs...and maybe a cat IIRC...and probably a bunny that keeps appearing in your avatar. Can't wait to see what wisdom one of them might share with us next.
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12-12-2007, 01:45 PM
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Three dogs, three cats. Nords has the bunny.
This probably explains the 17,000 posts. And all the fur stuck in my keyboard.
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Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
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12-12-2007, 08:21 PM
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On a serious note, I'm re-reading Your Money Or Your Life, and the following passage jumped out at me:
"...our real work is just to live our values as best we know how."
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12-12-2007, 11:05 PM
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And all the fur stuck in my keyboard.
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Hairballs!
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12-13-2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TickTock
Well, I don't know about that, but it is against all mores and common sense...
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Given the reaction, I'll agree with you on the mores!
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