ProfHaroldHill said:
OK -- let me ask the obvious question: If work is so great, why are so many regulars here interested in early retirement? You mean that it's only good for kids? Lots of conventional people believe that, to the extent possible, kids should learn and play, and adults should work. Seems like the relationship is getting turned around now.
I think we need to distinguish between the concepts of "work" and "avocation".
Kids learn about avocations by seeking work through jobs. Hopefully they find one, because if they do then they'll enjoy the rest of their lives and never care about ER. Kids can learn & play as much at "work" as they can at "school" or at home. I know kids who would rather spend their time at work than at the latter two. OTOH I know kids who've worked in pineapple or sugar cane for a summer and will do anything, even work through college, to avoid having to go back to those sunny outdoor jobs. So work is a powerful motivator in one way or another!
But although my Navy career started as an avocation, when we subsequently started our family the conflicting priorities turned Navy into a hard-working job and I didn't enjoy it anymore. In other words, the avocation was great but the work sucked. At that point I was pretty strongly motivated to ER. Maybe someday I'll find my avocation, but I'm beginning to think that early retirement IS my avocation.
ProfHaroldHill said:
I agree about balance. However, I disagree that getting "working papers for kids ASAP" is an ingredient of any kind of thoughtful balance. The reason that the state requires working papers is because labor at too young an age is abusive.
When I was a teenager wanting to work during the summer, I didn't appreciate having the state telling me what I was allowed to do.
I think if my kid wants to do earn spending money doing jobs around the house or to get a labor permit then it's my job to help her get one. You gotta know your kids, and I think parents & kids can define "abusive" at least as well as the state tries to.
ProfHaroldHill said:
Also, I disagree with "Dr. Phil" regarding life philosophy, and probably just about everything else, although I very seldom listen to him (mainly when I can't avoid it). Scot Burns, in his most recent column, observed that men could learn a lot from women by understanding that life goes much better as a cooperative venture rather than as a competitive struggle. Both options are open. Our kids don't need to grow up as little eat-what-you-kill savages.
I think Dr. Phil is extremely good at explaining life concepts to people whose blissful ignorance perpetually amazes me, and his comments "How's that working for ya?" and "If that's the biggest problem you have right now" have entered our household vocabulary. He seems to understand balance too.
But I don't get the reference to kids as eat-what-you-kill savages. You're gonna have to clarify that one a little for me...