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slowsaver

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I’ve just completed a 1 month vacation/sabbatical, which I earned by working for 16 years at a tech company. I made a point to use this time to “practice” retirement, by not taking exciting trips — just seeing if I can stand not being as busy. Well, I think I passed with flying colors, and really don’t want to go back to work anymore.

I’d like to tell my boss to lay me off in the next round (good severance package based on my 16 years service), but also tell him I’m not willing to wait more than 7 months for the package. This would put my end-date sometime between now and early March. (March end date would allow me to fill-up my 401k one last time, plus cash-in some RSUs — but I’d rather get the severance package earlier.)

Please review my plans and let me know if I’m missing anything.

I’m 49 and my DH is 59 (already retired 4 years). Both healthy. No children.

Spending: For the last 10 years, we’ve spent an average of $59,552/year. The most recent year was $73,773 though. None of this includes healthcare costs, due to my insurance through work. Through CoveredCA, I found a bronze Kaiser HDHP with HSA with an out of pocket max of $7k (individual) or $14k (family). Our MAGI for 2022 (after deducting W-2 income) would have been $55k, which would give us this plan for $0.00/mo. But if we sell/earn enough to cover our most recent level of spending, then potentially our premium would be as high as $2,500/year.

I’m going to guess only one of us would get very sick in 1 year, so let’s say $9500/yr for health care ($7k OOP max + $2500 premium), worst case. (Whatever we don’t spend could go into the HSA.) So my annual spend with health care is $83,273/yr.

Taxes: I’m guessing an additional $6474/yr federal taxes and $2k/yr state taxes (California), using this calculator: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/income-tax-calculator/california/ (Does anyone have a link to something that would estimate this better? This sounds low to me.). Total spending with tax would be $91,747.

Assets:

Paid-off house worth $1.8M, but let’s ignore that since we aren’t moving (until we go into a CCRC in 20 years).

I have $3.8M liquid assets, with $1.1M of that locked up in 401k/Ira/Roth plans. My target AA is 60% stocks, 40% bonds. In reality, I have 5% cash (CD/MM), 37% bonds, 58% Stocks these days.

Last check, DH has about $2.5M, but I don’t manage his money. Basically, he pays half of our big expenses (taxes, vacation packages, house repairs, etc) and also puts $1500/mo in our joint account for everyday shared expenses. Despite my nagging, he mostly holds cash, CDs and municipal bonds (except for his 401k). He spends almost nothing on himself. He’ll probably inherit $1-2M when his 81 y.o, mom dies. I’m going to ignore his money for the sake of this exercise.

According to firecalc ($91,747 spend, $3,827,917 portfolio, 50 years left, 58% equities (0.08% expense ratio), retire in 2024) = success rate of 100.0%. My Fidelity Retirement Score (FRS) is 136.

Anything else to consider?

I would like to tell my manager my plans next week, so he would have 7 months notice. Most of my friends tell me NOT to tell him that early, and just give 2 weeks notice. Thing is, I would LOVE to leave earlier with a severance package, and might not get “chosen” if people don’t know I plan to quit soon. Thoughts?
 
Hi slowsaver,
Congratulations on a decent financial portfolio.
I am new to forum myself, but wanted to share few comments if you don't mind,
1) For better tax estimate you can register on TurboTax site, import the prior tax returns, edit then with desired scenarios and see right away tax liabilities.
2) I think for CoveredCA max out of pocket will also go higher if you will need to generate more income to cover expenses
3) Dental expenses to be accounted as well, think of average/worst case per year over the long period of time
4) I personally choose to prorate ongoing large expenses on house/households items and account for these as an annual set aside cushion, for example:
Furnace Lifespan 15 years Replacement Cost 8000$ Set aside 533$
Roof ----
Paint---
Etc
Overall to me it looks like you are in a good spot to retire, good luck
 
I would mention the hope for a severance package without telling him about the 7 months.

With or W/out a severance, you and DH are fine. Jump in. The retirment waters are nice and warm.
 
So my annual spend with health care is $83,273/yr.

Taxes: I’m guessing an additional $6474/yr federal taxes and $2k/yr state taxes (California), using this calculator: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/income-tax-calculator/california/ (Does anyone have a link to something that would estimate this better? This sounds low to me.).
Tax estimation tools - Bogleheads lists several.

Using the "toolbox" one (aka the case study spreadsheet) your results look reasonable. In order to have $83,273 available after tax in 2023 requires $92,598 ordinary income (it would be less if some income comes from selling stock and/or receiving qualified dividends), incurring $7345 federal and $1980 CA tax. The federal amount from that tool should be spot on; don't know about CA accuracy but at least the two tools are giving similar results.
 
You look solid to me and with some pretty conservative assumptions (ignoring DH's conservative NW and potential inheritance, assuming max OOP healthcare for one of you every year, etc). Make the leap, as most of us that have say, "Jump in the water is fine!"


I mostly wanted to respond to say that your post should be a template for others... very well written, concise, and comprehensive! Some I can't even read/take the time to decipher.
 
Doesn't look like you need to get a severance package to be ready to reitre any time you want. I would mention the desire to be laid off with a severance package and if they think it will happen by year end then stick around for it otherwise give 2 weeks and be done working forever with no money worries either way.
 
I didn't run any numbers, because with your and your husband's assets, likely SS, and no mortgage, I don't see any need to do anything other than give 2 week's notice and sign up for ACA. Jump on in, the water's awesome!
 
I would like to tell my manager my plans next week, so he would have 7 months notice. Most of my friends tell me NOT to tell him that early, and just give 2 weeks notice. Thing is, I would LOVE to leave earlier with a severance package, and might not get “chosen” if people don’t know I plan to quit soon. Thoughts?
Whatever you do, don't give 7 months notice, and don't give a deadline for the severance package. If your boss values your work, he'll want to keep you as long as possible, and save $ on the package. I gave more than two month's notice, and found myself essentially irrelevant before I left. I ran out of work as I transferred my projects to others. Best of luck!
 
I'm also in the same area with similar tenure and let me tell you my experience with packages. My previous company was offering generous packages (18-months salary lump sum and benefits including 18-months vesting) for those 60 and above. If you refused you risked being RIF'ed with the standard package (much less). When I was in my late 50s I asked my manager to see if I could get one of those packages. He scheduled an appointment with HR and she laid it out for me, by the way the answer was a resounding NO. First, those packages were only for 60 and above (code for old, expensive deadweight that could not be easily aged out by RIF, I guess).

Second, my reviews were always high and I was considered a key contributor so that further disqualified me as they deemed me marketable and easy to find alternative employment if desired which means that anyone performing well needs to leave on their own. I was starting to get a little depressed.

Third, I wasn't really ready to retire but I had critical mass and it was tempting to think about for such a generous package. Nothing happened and those lucky 60+ takers got their packages leaving me (and a few colleagues in the same situation behind). Let me also preface that the company has politics and while the role was enjoyable the meetings and politics were not as it was my primary motivator to ask for a package.

That said I got my wish a few years later but it was a surprise so I was not prepared. What I did find out is my manager did get me "the package" so I got the full one and I thanked him profusely for getting RIF'ed, although I would have appreciated a little warning. I heard everyone else got much smaller separation packages but they were all let go for performance reasons. I was relieved to be away from the politics and games, though, as it was wearing a lot of us down.

Do you know if a RIF is scheduled? If it is routine and happens in a regular "schedule" then you are in a similar situation that I was in and we also had retirement packages being offered to older employees. I think I blew it by coming out and asking for it before I met the age requirement. If I had to do it again I would probably have a casual conversation that if they were looking for RIF candidates and having trouble finding one to offer myself up as a sacrificial lamb in order to save someone else's job.

Filling the 401-K is a good strategy. I always max out contributions the same. Are you going to be leaving significant RSU on the table? That is my current predicament. ~55% of my package is RSU now.



I’ve just completed a 1 month vacation/sabbatical, which I earned by working for 16 years at a tech company. I made a point to use this time to “practice” retirement, by not taking exciting trips — just seeing if I can stand not being as busy. Well, I think I passed with flying colors, and really don’t want to go back to work anymore.

I’d like to tell my boss to lay me off in the next round (good severance package based on my 16 years service), but also tell him I’m not willing to wait more than 7 months for the package. This would put my end-date sometime between now and early March. (March end date would allow me to fill-up my 401k one last time, plus cash-in some RSUs — but I’d rather get the severance package earlier.)

Please review my plans and let me know if I’m missing anything.

I’m 49 and my DH is 59 (already retired 4 years). Both healthy. No children.

Spending: For the last 10 years, we’ve spent an average of $59,552/year. The most recent year was $73,773 though. None of this includes healthcare costs, due to my insurance through work. Through CoveredCA, I found a bronze Kaiser HDHP with HSA with an out of pocket max of $7k (individual) or $14k (family). Our MAGI for 2022 (after deducting W-2 income) would have been $55k, which would give us this plan for $0.00/mo. But if we sell/earn enough to cover our most recent level of spending, then potentially our premium would be as high as $2,500/year.

I’m going to guess only one of us would get very sick in 1 year, so let’s say $9500/yr for health care ($7k OOP max + $2500 premium), worst case. (Whatever we don’t spend could go into the HSA.) So my annual spend with health care is $83,273/yr.

Taxes: I’m guessing an additional $6474/yr federal taxes and $2k/yr state taxes (California), using this calculator: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/income-tax-calculator/california/ (Does anyone have a link to something that would estimate this better? This sounds low to me.). Total spending with tax would be $91,747.

Assets:

Paid-off house worth $1.8M, but let’s ignore that since we aren’t moving (until we go into a CCRC in 20 years).

I have $3.8M liquid assets, with $1.1M of that locked up in 401k/Ira/Roth plans. My target AA is 60% stocks, 40% bonds. In reality, I have 5% cash (CD/MM), 37% bonds, 58% Stocks these days.

Last check, DH has about $2.5M, but I don’t manage his money. Basically, he pays half of our big expenses (taxes, vacation packages, house repairs, etc) and also puts $1500/mo in our joint account for everyday shared expenses. Despite my nagging, he mostly holds cash, CDs and municipal bonds (except for his 401k). He spends almost nothing on himself. He’ll probably inherit $1-2M when his 81 y.o, mom dies. I’m going to ignore his money for the sake of this exercise.

According to firecalc ($91,747 spend, $3,827,917 portfolio, 50 years left, 58% equities (0.08% expense ratio), retire in 2024) = success rate of 100.0%. My Fidelity Retirement Score (FRS) is 136.

Anything else to consider?

I would like to tell my manager my plans next week, so he would have 7 months notice. Most of my friends tell me NOT to tell him that early, and just give 2 weeks notice. Thing is, I would LOVE to leave earlier with a severance package, and might not get “chosen” if people don’t know I plan to quit soon. Thoughts?
 
7 months is too much notice. Understand he could escort you out the door the day you give notice. You’ll have to gauge what your bosses reaction, but 1 to 2 months notice is more typical.
 
Looks good to me. Enjoy and keep us posted!
 
Do you know if a RIF is scheduled? If it is routine and happens in a regular "schedule" then you are in a similar situation that I was in and we also had retirement packages being offered to older employees. I think I blew it by coming out and asking for it before I met the age requirement. If I had to do it again I would probably have a casual conversation that if they were looking for RIF candidates and having trouble finding one to offer myself up as a sacrificial lamb in order to save someone else's job.
This hit a some of the points that occurred to me. I agree with previous comments that you may not need the severance, but I would treat it like any other negotiation; don't lay any cards on the table, just express casual interest and see what kind of offer you can get. Otherwise you paint yourself into a corner, and you've lost a lot of leverage.
 
To summarize: The OP has a household net worth exceeding $6M, a paid off house and projected annual expenses under $100K. Even at the relatively young age of 49 I would say they've been financially ready to FIRE for quite some time. Congratulations.
 
Do you know if a RIF is scheduled? If it is routine and happens in a regular "schedule" then you are in a similar situation that I was in and we also had retirement packages being offered to older employees.

Well, the company is in the process of being purchased by another company with a reputation for cost-cutting and cash-cowing companies. Of course, they are claiming things will be "different" with this merger, but nobody really believes them. That company "sold" this merger to shareholders with a promise to increase our company's EBITA by so much, that it seems like they would need to fire half the company (or double sales) within 3 years.

It's a sure thing that a ton of HR, IT, Sales, middle-management, etc. jobs will be cut before year end. But I'm an engineer, and there is some rumors they won't start cutting them until a second or third wave of cuts. We're just waiting for the "last" regulator to give us a green light, which is due in September.

In the past (before merger threat), we would have annual mini layoffs. My managers claimed that they had to find 1-3 people to cut per cycle, regardless if we even had 1-3 low performers! I know of at least 2 people who got the package because they requested it. This was always followed by hiring more people. So, it's just their way of clearing dead-wood.

Thanks everyone for your encouragement so far. I'm definitely moving toward pulling the plug earlier (e.g. by year end), but still debating how explicitly to tell my manager the news.
 
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I mostly wanted to respond to say that your post should be a template for others... very well written, concise, and comprehensive! ....

I wholeheartedly agree. Yours is a great first post. Welcome aboard.
 
4) I personally choose to prorate ongoing large expenses on house/households items and account for these as an annual set aside cushion, for example:
Furnace Lifespan 15 years Replacement Cost 8000$ Set aside 533$
Roof ----
Paint---
Etc

We sure do think alike! Since I've been expecting to retire soon, I've done the following things to our house within the last 3 years: New 40 year roof, new gutters with gutter-guards, new attic insulation (with rodent-proofing), new HVAC ducts, new furnace, new A/C, new paint (inside and outside of house), new hot water heater, chimney inspection/repair, new backyard landscape, and new fence. We haven't bought the new car because ours is still good, but I have 6 CDs with $40k each, for these kinds of bursty expenses.
 
slowsaver, I'm in the same area and I also have a plan to retire soon. But I'm older, closer to your DH age. I believe your portfolio is in a great shape and you don't have to worry about additional one-time expenses. However I would still make sure to keep some cash/CDs to cover at least 4-5 years of expenses just in case of recession. Another thing I wanted to mention is health insurance. Kaiser is great and inexpensive option as long as both of you are healthy. Unfortunately the only PPO plan we have in Santa Clara county is not cheap by any means even for those with low income to qualify for maximum ACA subsidy while it still has $7K deductible (bronze). Also I did not see anything you mentioned about travel or other expensive hobbies you may be exploring with lot of time suddenly available. I would rather account for them in advance. Otherwise, your situation look good.
 
Your finances are fine, you are good to go now.
Sure, a RIF is great, but I wouldn't hold out on my retirement time waiting for one.
If you like and enjoy your job, keep working.
If you are ready to wake up and claim each day as your own to do as you please, retire ASAP.
 
I am unfamiliar with workplaces where one tells one’s boss when they want their severance package. Those usually only happen during unexpected layoffs. Maybe your workplace is the rare exception so good luck.
 
I am unfamiliar with workplaces where one tells one’s boss when they want their severance package. Those usually only happen during unexpected layoffs. Maybe your workplace is the rare exception so good luck.


Heh, heh, at my Megacorp, "severance packages" were THE most closely guarded secrets. I missed one by 18 months. I didn't think about if for more than a day - not that I could have changed anything.



In any case, approaching anyone about going during the next package would have drawn howls of laughter.:LOL:
 
I wholeheartedly agree. Yours is a great first post. Welcome aboard.

Thank you for the compliment; however, I've actually been lurking (and sometimes posting) on this board for 10 years. So I'm glad to say I learned something from you all. Thanks for all the help!
 
Thank you for the compliment; however, I've actually been lurking (and sometimes posting) on this board for 10 years. So I'm glad to say I learned something from you all. Thanks for all the help!

Sorry I missed the post count below your avatar. It's still a great post.
 
Just do it already. You're good to go. Enjoy early retirement.
 
Just do it already. You're good to go. Enjoy early retirement.


Gotta ad my "amen" to this one.



If you still have qualms, just list your potential back-ups:


Stop your Starbucks habit, don't eat out as often, wait a couple of years longer to trade cars, lower the amount you spend on Christmas/Birthdays/Other holiday gifts, skip one vacation, etc., etc.


THEN celebrate when you find you don't need your back-ups after all. BUT, you've thought them through JUST IND CASE!


Heh, heh, Just Do It!
 
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