And we keep buying their stinkin oil!

[dumpster56]

Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man - Times Online

I really have a problem with this group of people. Saudis, please they are not friends of any american, even Bush they laugh at behind his back.

 

[jambo101]

Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man - Times Online

I really have a problem with this group of people. Saudis, please they are not friends of any american, even Bush they laugh at behind his back.

And we support their whole culture by buying big gas sucking cars and trucks and driving 90mph down the interstates to waste even more gas.
They are laughing all the way to the bank on our wasteful and decadent lifestyle.

 

[tightasadrum]

And we support their whole culture by buying big gas sucking cars and trucks and driving 90mph down the interstates to waste even more gas.
They are laughing all the way to the bank on our wasteful and decadent lifestyle.

I'm sure this is true. It always has been. Other countries laugh at us, hate us, and envy us. Since we all have control over how much oil we use, and it's easy to see the effect the cost of oil/gas has on our lifestyle, here is a test of our resolve on the issue:


1. how many of us own a hybrid car or at least one that burns at least 30mpg on the highway? (Not me.)

2. has anyone that is still working arranged to reduce the miles driven to work by carpooling with someone? (Nope)

 

[dex]

And we support their whole culture by buying big gas sucking cars and trucks and driving 90mph down the interstates to waste even more gas.
They are laughing all the way to the bank on our wasteful and decadent lifestyle.

I don't think they really like us that much and can not wait for the day when they don't need us and can tell us what to do.

We have only ourselves to blame.

 

[Marquette]

1. how many of us own a hybrid car or at least one that burns at least 30mpg on the highway?

2. has anyone that is still working arranged to reduce the miles driven to work by carpooling with someone?

1. We own 1 car... a Honda Accord that, when I track mileage for, averages 32 mpg on the highway and 29 in the mixed driving I do here.

2. Wife's work is on the way to mine so I drop her off on the way.

 

[tightasadrum]

Marquette, keep that up and you'll be rich someday.

 

[DallasGuy]

You don't even have to reduce the number of miles you drive in order to conserve....just drive the speed limit and you'll save on gas usage. I'm constantly amazed at how many people pass me on the freeway when I drive the speed limit. The funny thing is that I laugh at them when they give me a dirty look for making them go around me (and no, I'm not in the fast lane). C'mon, what's the hurry? It will probably cost you a minute or two on your trip by driving the speed limit. If everyone drove the speed limit (yeah, not realistic I know), how much less oil would we buying from the middle east?

 

[jambo101]

I dont think most people connect the dots when it comes to who benefits when we waste gas and oil.On a recent trip to Florida it seemed the rare person who was driving a fuel efficient car,most vehicles were SUV's,pickup trucks,minivans or large sedan type vehicles,average speed on interstate?80 to 90mph.Sure we all have to use gas but we really dont need to use as much to maintain the same lifestyle.
I drive a 2001 Toyota Echo=35 city 45 highway,and i keep my thermostat set at 60 all winter,no air in summer.

 

[Notmuchlonger]

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.

 

[FinanceDude]

Well, I am guilty, I have two vehicles. However, I have an Accord like Marquette does, and a Honda Odyssey. DW has a short commute, so she only puts 8000 miles a year on it.

Plus, it is a sweet ride for vacations.

 

[ERD50]

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.
Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.


There, maybe that will help.

It is so simple, yet people just do not 'get it'.

-ERD50

 

[FinanceDude]

"Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn."

APPARENTLY gas isn't high enough yet for people to really giver a damn.

Apparently GAS isn't high enough yet for people to really give a damn.

Apparently gas ISN'T high enough yet for people to really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't HIGH enough yet for people to really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high ENOUGH yet for people to really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough YET for people to really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet FOR people to really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for PEOPLE to really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people TO really give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to REALLY give a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really GIVE a damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give A damn.

Apparently gas isn't high enough yet for people to really give a DAMN.

There, I feel better now.......

 

[Zoocat]

I don't drive to work, instead I telecommute and drive to very occasional meetings with clients. Also, I live in a town where there is good bus service, which I occasionally use. I have put about 12,000 miles on my car during the last four years.

On the other hand, I do use a lot of airplane fuel on my vacations.

 

[haha]

I never thought carbon would become an annoying guilt-inducing word.

For me, I got my guilt in grade school. Anyone who wants to guilt me over carbon, or Arabs, or whatever else should realize that I have been guilted by folks that wrote the guilt book.

So they should save their breath.

Ha

 

[Walt34]

It depends on what the vehicle is used for. I own a full-size 4WD pickup that gets 18 mpg on a good day.

But I also use it for what it was intended for. I go fishing in the summer and put stuff in the back, including the 10-ft boat. We go over to fil's house and do yard work with a chain saw, chipper shredder and other large tools. Last month we made two trips to DE helping a relative move with the back of the truck and a 12-ft trailer full. I used to use it to move large radio control airplanes that will not fit in anything smaller. It needs 4WD because with the hills around here, with an inch or more of snow you aren't going anywhere without it. And so on.

But it has also been in the garage for as long as a week without being moved, we'll use the car for lots of driving because it gets much better mileage.

There is safety in sheer mass in an accident. I've seen a lot of wrecks and the heavier, bigger vehicle usually wins. If I could afford it and talk her into it, my wife would be driving this: USATODAY.com - Monster truck goes to market

 

[Rivrider]

Certainly not trying to make anyone feel guilty(I went to Catholic schools so know what it feels like), but I hate the idea of my money going to the Saudi's. Would also include the Mullah's, Chavez, Putin, etc.

When I ER later this year my miles will go down be at least two thirds, so that will feel good. I hope that our country one day gets serious about energy independence.

 

[Midpack]

I hope that our country one day gets serious about energy independence.

Me too, but sadly I'm not holding my breath. It would take so little sacrifice if the majority would make an effort...but we'd rather complain and blame others before taking responsibility ourselves.

 

[dumpster56]

We have gotten away from the original statement. Its is all about the Saudis. Chavez in south america is a socialist, big deal, like Castro, his country can elect him or throw him out, he does not have religious police like the sick saudis. Not one venezulan came here and killed anyone in the name of their god. 15 Saudis did on 9/11. Putin, in Russia, well come on Bush said he liked the guy. Again there is prosperity in Russia today, the cold war is over, women have rights. again try being a JEW in Saudi arabia, You CAN'T. Try doing what the women in the article did. Great huh?

These are the worst excuses for civilized behavior, so they have all that oil. Tell them to drink it. We don't buy Iranian oil do we? Nope. Lets do the same with the Saudis.

 

[ERD50]

We don't buy Iranian oil do we? Nope.

And does it make any difference at all? They sell it to the rest of the world, and we buy the oil from other sources that the rest of the world would buy if we weren't.

If we conserved and cut our oil usage by 10%, we would cut demand for all oil by that amount - it wouldn't impact any specific region's oil demand.

-ERD50

 

[Marquette]

If we conserved and cut our oil usage by 10%, we would cut demand for all oil by that amount - it wouldn't impact any specific region's oil demand.

-ERD50

It depends on what you mean by 'we' (I'm assuming you mean we evil USians ). If that's what you mean, then I'd further venture that (assuming no peak oil, consistent capacity to meet demand), us cutting demand by 10% may simply cause supply prices to temporarily fall which could cause demand to increase by a proportional amount. I could be wrong, but I guess that's what I have in mind when I think about fungible resources... if we're not buying it at $90 a barrel, then the Chinese will buy it at $80 a barrel.

 

[haha]

We have gotten away from the original statement. Its is all about the Saudis.

New Guy, we got away from the original statement because it is so naive that there is nothing to say about it.

Ha

 

[FinanceDude]

New Guy, we got away from the original statement because it is so naive that there is nothing to say about it.Ha

Kind of like the guy who sued GM in the 70's because they were guilty of pollution in all 50 states..........the judge threw the suit out..........

 

[dumpster56]

Kind of like the guy who sued GM in the 70's because they were guilty of pollution in all 50 states..........the judge threw the suit out..........

So we just continue as always. But lets think about what would happen if Saudi arabia became well a problem like to 70s embargo which they started. No we are not taking and making hard decisions. sending money to so many that hate us. No a big gasoline tax here in america that would keep the money here and not send so much to these people.

 

[dumpster56]

And does it make any difference at all? They sell it to the rest of the world, and we buy the oil from other sources that the rest of the world would buy if we weren't.

If we conserved and cut our oil usage by 10%, we would cut demand for all oil by that amount - it wouldn't impact any specific region's oil demand.

-ERD50

Does morality play into the picture at all? Do we continue to well you know whore ourselves for oil from a regime that spawned 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11? I don't know help me out here. Yes lets cut consumption by 12% what we buy from the saudis , why not?

 

[ERD50]

Does morality play into the picture at all?

....

. Yes lets cut consumption by 12% what we buy from the saudis , why not?

Newguy - you <edit> CONTINUE TO [-]are ignoring [/-] IGNORE the reality of commodity markets, and you did not read my post, or at least you did not absorb it.

Cutting our oil consumption by 12% does NOT mean that we would not be buying any Mid East oil. It only means that we would reduce world-wide demand by some small factor (12% times whatever our share of world-wide oil consumption is), and that would reduce the price of oil world-wide by some factor. The Mid East would still sell plenty of oil, and we would not be impacting anyone's morals.

At any rate, I favor conservation and I would love to see us cut oil consumption by 12% - but I suspect the only way that is going to happen is to make oil expensive enough for people to choose to conserve. That was posted twice already in this thread.

I could post a story of police torture in Chicago. Should we stop buying all American products? Where is your morality newguy?

-ERD50