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Old 07-04-2017, 12:29 PM   #61
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Heh heh, one good reason to get accurate database.
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:29 PM   #62
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I volunteer time to support the computers and internet at several lds family history centers in central Texas. I don't know that much about the familysearch web site, but here's what I found.

Non-members can set up a free account at familysearch.org. Some historical record collections won't be accessible- only members can view the original records.

Family History Center access:
Anyone can go into a family history center, but most (around here, anyway) have very limited hours, and consist of a room set aside in a churchhouse, with multiple pc's and internet access. They are staffed by volunteers, who can help answer genealogy questions, and help using the software. In some (most?) centers, there are microfilm readers and microfilm collections. While in a family history center, all visitors have access to
Ancestry.com
Heritagequest.com
Fold3.com (formerly Footnote.com)
World Vital Records
Findmypast.com
Ancestral Quest
Get My Ancestors
and probably a few more.

Open hours and locations are posted here

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Well, what I am saying is, is that say I wanted to find all the ancestors on Michael Johnson. A name I made up. He was born in 1899 lets say. You used to be able to go onto a LDS computer and not only look at what the LDS church had for his ancestry way back, but print it out. You can't do that anymore without either being an LDS member or subscribing to the website and I am not even sure you can do it by subscribing to their website. It is not a problem for me, because if I really needed to get something I could get it. The people at the family history center are very nice. As far as using the family history.org site, sooner or later you will need a death certificate or marriage record or some other record, and you won't be able to get it without using ancestry.com or writing to the appropriate place, so that is why I recommended going to the family history center for others, although I do understand the temptation to use what is easily available online. I have been doing genealogy since 1989, so I have seen a lot of changes over the years.
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:41 PM   #63
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Michael Johnson is a very popular name. I used to work with one.
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What I have to offer to this discussion of Ancestry.com is that you can enter at least one family history center (near me) and look for any name you desire. If you want to print, it costs a nickel or dime per page. My branch allows me to save the files to memory stick.

The difficult part is narrowing down the results to the correct person.

As for a tree, this is composed from data provided by members. Some of it is incomplete, not sourced, and inaccurate. You end up with more questions and doubt, and it is up to you, the researcher, to find sources that are reliable enough to produce a believable story.
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:56 PM   #65
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My family came here(both sides) during the 1920's.. The brides side came in the 1910's pre WW1. So i know pretty much whats what since our families came to America. I dont even think my own family knew what was going on. My maternal grandmother said most of her brothers died in WW1, and my paternal grandfather said Mussolini forced him to flee his estate hahaha. They were my only living grandparents at the time of my youth. And those stories needed to be translated, cause I didnt have a good grasp of the old country's language.
Does this ancestry tell us what happened in Europe?
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Old 07-04-2017, 01:12 PM   #66
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Michael Johnson is a very popular name. I used to work with one.
You should see how many Frederick Brandts there were in Germany in 1850. Also Robert Russels in England & Scotland.
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Ancestry.com is selling new subscriptions for half off today, Sunday, Veteran's Day. The offer is for 6 month subscriptions only and the offer ends tonight at midnight. Savings are $50-100 depending on the package you select.
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I did 23&Me and then later bought the Ancestry kit. I fiddled around on the website for awhile while waiting for my kit. I still have the kit but I have never sent it in. I sorta lost interest but maybe this thread and a gloomy winter will motivate me.
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Old 11-11-2018, 05:01 AM   #69
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"Let's keep this an enjoyable and helpful thread on ancestry. "


That is assuming the purpose of these services are only for enjoyment and to help on ancestry.

Think about what can be done with a simple SSN. Then extrapolate that to DNA in the near future for health purposes. I will keep my DNA just to be on the safe side.
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Iíve used it for years now. Already had a head start with documentation thatís been handed down through the family over the years. I have the family tree completed on this side of the pond. Or at least as complete as I want it. Now Iím working on the European side. The farther back I go the more scarce the records are and because of inconsistent spellings of surnames the harder it is to nail down the next step back. Also did the DNA test and it confirmed what I already knew...
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Ancestry.com is selling new subscriptions for half off today, Sunday, Veteran's Day. The offer is for 6 month subscriptions only and the offer ends tonight at midnight. Savings are $50-100 depending on the package you select.
Subscription cost without discount is about $150 per half year for global searching with Ancestry. It's expensive. I take it this does not help existing customers.
I've noticed a significant drop-off in proposed matches. About 2-3 years ago there was a lot of excitement about researching, but it has tailed off. I think the total cost, not just initial test, causes people to drop their enthusiasm level.
I have made about 6 connections to 2nd and 3rd cousins. Nothing earth-shattering. This takes up a lot of time, and when you add in the continuing costs, difficult to maintain an interest level.
It's also disappointing to find close relatives who have very different pictures as to tree and supporting facts.
Definitely worthwhile to take a closer look. As discounts for Ancestry and FTDNA come out around the holidays, there is a definite up-tick in activity.
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Old 11-11-2018, 10:44 AM   #72
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I have used ancestry.com with great results. At age 56 I found who my birthfather was (I'm adopted). I had already found out who my birthmother was but she was deceased when I found her. So had no info on the paternal end of things. Birth father was also deceased but I found my living 90 year old grandmother who was beyond thrilled. I've used ancestry to build an extensive family tree and learned many interesting things (I have a 3rd great grandfather who died in the civil war, a set further back who were a pair of the original French settlers of Quebec, and I now have a photo of a 4th great grandfather in his civil war uniform, as well as many more interesting findings).

I used Ancestry.com to find my adopted sister's birth family. They knew nothing of her and both parents were deceased. She was placed for adoption in 1964 because her father was married to someone else at the time. Her parents eventually married and she has three full siblings. Looks just like them and they are lovely welcoming people. Found her two half siblings by her father's first marriage and strangely her half sister lives exactly three miles from my sister. I say strangely because my sister was born in Chicago. Her entire birth family was from and still lives in Maryland. My sister lives in Florida now. Her half sister moved there years ago as well and happens to live three miles away.

Then we found that my sister has a cousin who is also related to my husband! Now that was weird. I met him in Florida but he's from Pennsylvania. They are both related to this cousin because my sister is related to the cousin's father and my husband is related to the cousin's mother.

I also found my maternal half brother's birth father for him. He always suspected the man named on his birth certificate was not his father. He was right. Father was deceased and our mother is deceased but I reunited my brother with his three older half siblings on his father's side. They too were thrilled and welcoming. My half brother was raised believing he was an only child and now in his 50s he's found he has three older sisters and an older brother.

If anyone is in search of birth relatives this has turned into a hobby or mine so feel free to reach out and I can provide helpful info to you and help with your search.
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Unfortunately the one day discount is for new subscriptions only. Note this is an old 2017 thread but I did not see a reason to start a new thread just to advertise a one day sale.

I had a subscription to Ancestry.com about ten years ago and while I enjoyed researching my family tree, it was just too time consuming and another sedentary activity that I did not need with my regular desk job. But I'm retired now and with winter approaching and a discount on the subscription, I thought I would try it again. I also got a friend interested in genealogy and she has continued with it and become very good at manipulating all the databases. She retired about six months ago and with the information that I had already researched, she started a family tree for me with lots of Ancestry.com "leaves or leafs" (supporting documents). I can view the tree but not all the leaves unless I have a subscription.

Another advantage of a subscription is to be able to view other family trees in the Ancestry.com database. I recently had the DNA testing and have a listing of cousins so I am particularly interested in whether cousins have shared old family photos as we do not have many for our family on either side. But I agree with target2019 and WestUniversity that this can get expensive, trees may differ, and inconsistent surname spellings and scare records as you go back are issues.

Joylush, my friend has found several adopted cousins who have reached out to her to help find their biological parents. I doubt I will find any unknown birth relatives but would welcome that.
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My grandmother "did" genealogy back when that involved lots of researching and sleuthing in far-flung dusty libraries and old cemeteries. Although she bored us kids to tears, for her, chasing ancestors was an exciting hunt. As my cousin said (after she, as an adult, also got the genealogy bug) "They can hide but they can't run."

I inherited most of my grandmother's research, and did a bit of my own. In the early days of the internet, I was involved in a web-based volunteer genealogy organization. A precursor company to Ancestry.com purchased some of the software I'd written for it. They also eventually bought up the volunteer organization, and assimilated all the data that thousands of volunteers had entered for free - expecting it to be kept that way. They've essentially purchased every genealogy-related property on the internet to become a virtual monopoly.

So, with that background, maybe you'll understand why I find it offensive that ancestry.com charges such a steep subscription price to access all the data they amassed. I'll never join. Sadly, it means I'll probably never be involved with genealogy again.
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I use Ancestry. Periodically Ancestry does do sales. You seem to be talking more about the records subscriptions rather than the DNA tests. Right now DNA tests are on sale for $59 which is a good deal. Also there is a holiday discount on gift memberships as well.

DH is big into genealogy. We currently have an World Explorer Membership. We had the All Access for a year and didn't use the additional features enough to make it worthwhile. The basic membership is I think the US Discovery and is adequate for most people.

Like Joylush I am an adoptee. I found my birthfather (deceased) through DNA testing with (at the time) no match closer than a third cousin. (I had found my birthmother years ago through traditional searching). I have helped a number of people with DNA based searches as well. There are a lot of people out there who want to find unknown parents or others. For example, I have helped someone whose mother was adopted and born in the early 1900s.

Anyway -- people seriously interested in genealogy who know their ancestry usually do DNA testing like my DH did. Genetic genealogy is simply a tool that is used to help with the family tree and break through brick walls in many instances. Not using it would be sort of like refusing to look at census records. If you are serious about genealogy, then DNA testing is a huge tool.

CaptTom - There is a lot of info available for free at familysearch.org.
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I've used find my past, which I found cheaper than Ancestry.
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My sisters are dedicated geneologists. They use Ancestery. One has done a lot of searching in court houses and the like over the years. Through DNA they have recently found a first cousin. We are not certain who the parent was, but have our suspitions... All in that generation have long since passed away.
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Are there any "real" genealogists out there who could offer an opinion on the accuracy of Ancestry.com's data?

I know how much work it was for researchers back in the pre-internet days to separate fact from fiction. The validity of the sources was always being discussed. Original source documents were the holy grail. Hand-scratched family trees or pedigree charts written by someone's great-grandparent were always taken with a grain of salt. And even the serious researchers had biases. They were always trying to find a famous ancestor, and might easily overlook clues implying theirs was actually the town drunk, or a criminal.

Now we have a for-profit company vacuuming up any data they can get their hands on and selling it to general public. How are those data vetted? Does your search return information on sources?
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Are there any "real" genealogists out there who could offer an opinion on the accuracy of Ancestry.com's data?

I know how much work it was for researchers back in the pre-internet days to separate fact from fiction. The validity of the sources was always being discussed. Original source documents were the holy grail. Hand-scratched family trees or pedigree charts written by someone's great-grandparent were always taken with a grain of salt. And even the serious researchers had biases. They were always trying to find a famous ancestor, and might easily overlook clues implying theirs was actually the town drunk, or a criminal.

Now we have a for-profit company vacuuming up any data they can get their hands on and selling it to general public. How are those data vetted? Does your search return information on sources?
I'm not a professional, but I have spent significant time off and on researching my genealogy. Ancestry.com may be the most well-known, but they are not unique in "vacuuming up any data they can get their hands on and selling it to general public." As I said, I've subscribed to findmypast.com, which has extensive sources from outside the US, which is important when your family essentially has been in the US for only 100-125 years or so. US sources can be exhausted pretty quickly after a couple of generations.

Yes, original source documents are key. When you subscribe, you will usually have access to the original source image, as in an actual marriage record, baptism entry, census record, etc. That's important, because transcription errors are more common than you'd think.

FamilySearch.org is a free website that contains lots of data, including the original source documents. It's a good place for beginners to start, before making a commitment to pay money to a subscription website.
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