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Old 09-08-2020, 07:57 AM   #21
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+1. We have them, in two sizes, well worth the effort IMO.
What do you enjoy about them? Very possible I'm missing something in their use, but can't figure what. Slightly reduced surface area for volume of ice might mean slower melting, but at the cost of slower drink cooling.
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What do you enjoy about them? Very possible I'm missing something in their use, but can't figure what. Slightly reduced surface area for volume of ice might mean slower melting, but at the cost of slower drink cooling.
Depends largely on what you drink and whether you care about presentation esthetics and having your drink watered down faster. Chilling spheres vs cubes is about the same, with less dilution. If it’s not for you, no worries. In an Old Fashioned (or other drinks that aren’t “dilute” by recipe to begin with), cubes water down those drinks noticeably faster vs large spheres IME. There’s a reason upscale bars don’t use cubes in those drinks.

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We have a standalone ice maker at our family beach house. Is indispensable there, as there is always a crowd and always a demand for ice in coolers. We we are not there, we turn it off and drain it.

It is in a utility room along with the washer and dryer, so no noise issues.
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I've had an under-counter ice maker since 1987, and it still works! It was in the kitchen for 10 years, in operation the whole time. When we moved, I put it in the shed and it gets activated in the summer, when I drink iced tea, and need ice to chill wort. The last few summers, I've only activated it in advance of a brew day.

The noises it makes are variable. Most of the time it's a combination of a compressor hum and a recirculation pump hum. Not unlike a refrigerator. But when an ice slab is ready, it gets quieter for a minute, then you hear the ice slab slide down with a clunk, then the hiss of more water getting added to the reservoir, and the process repeats. If the bin gets full, the machine is completely silent. That lasts a while, but when the ice melts, it kicks on again. The drain has always been by gravity. If you (OP) have a drain pump always on, that would be weird because the amount of melt water should just be a few drips. Anyway, we got used to the sounds (like a chiming clock, it's unnoticed once you live with it a few days). I'm more concerned with consuming resources and not using the end product.
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Since our water here tastes so bad, we have a separate ice maker. However, it is in our storage shed, so noise is not a problem. It can make 20 pounds of ice a day, much more than we need.
Funny story, when we got our new fridge 5 years ago, I asked the installer to remove the ice maker. He refused, saying it was wired in. So, after he left, I removed the two screws holding it, and pulled the plug out of the back wall.
It freed up a bunch of freezer space. This is similar to the one we have.

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Yes, in my rental properties, I remove all ice makers immediately if I can't buy the "stripped down" appliance. Ice makers are BY FAR the most frequent service calls for refrigerators.

Regarding the OP, I don't understand why, for a gravity drain, you have to drill a separate drain line all the way to the septic tank - can't you just tap into a nearby sink or dishwasher drain? Put a check-valve into the line if there is an concern about backups? Maybe I misunderstood.
In any event, we had a standalone ice maker at my former place of **rk and it was very quiet - don't remember the brand though (happily, it's been a while ).
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That is what I would think as well, but we had a repair person in, who said that it was working correctly. The machine was never silent because the ice inside was always melting. Maybe the mfr assumes everyone keeps their home at 68 degrees, but we are in Florida and 78-80 degrees is fine for us, and every other appliance too.

Plain old fridge noises, or occasional falls of ice, are not annoying sounds. Constant rrrRRRR-er! rrrRRRR-er! is maddening. Considering the house is built around a swimming pool, to be able to hear it in the back bedroom (where we can't even hear the doorbell) is intolerable. It was obvious the real estate agent kept it turned off, no doubt for that very reason.

For the period when we had it running, I didn't notice any big jump in our electric bill. The main electricity consumer is the central AC; next to that, the pool filter. The bill jumps from $150 to $350 a month during summer.

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The noises it makes are variable. Most of the time it's a combination of a compressor hum and a recirculation pump hum. Not unlike a refrigerator. But when an ice slab is ready, it gets quieter for a minute, then you hear the ice slab slide down with a clunk, then the hiss of more water getting added to the reservoir, and the process repeats. If the bin gets full, the machine is completely silent. That lasts a while, but when the ice melts, it kicks on again. The drain has always been by gravity. If you (OP) have a drain pump always on, that would be weird because the amount of melt water should just be a few drips. Anyway, we got used to the sounds (like a chiming clock, it's unnoticed once you live with it a few days). I'm more concerned with consuming resources and not using the end product.
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Fridge ice is fine and other than the occasional thunk, not noisy.
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For the period when we had it running, I didn't notice any big jump in our electric bill. The main electricity consumer is the central AC; next to that, the pool filter. The bill jumps from $150 to $350 a month during summer.
We also live in Florida just under 4,000 sq.feet , pool and we keep the air at 74 .Our electric never goes over $200.
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I just have a conventional icemaker in my freezer (freezer-on-top refrigerator). It was a cheap add-on provided by Sears when I bought my frig, and it has been fine during the five years I have owned it. If it ever breaks, I'd just buy another cheap add-on icemaker, and replace it. It has been fine for us, although we don't entertain.

The ice tastes fine as long as I don't let it get too old. I toss the ice in the sink every couple of weeks so that it won't.
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Yes, in my rental properties, I remove all ice makers immediately if I can't buy the "stripped down" appliance. Ice makers are BY FAR the most frequent service calls for refrigerators.

Regarding the OP, I don't understand why, for a gravity drain, you have to drill a separate drain line all the way to the septic tank - can't you just tap into a nearby sink or dishwasher drain? Put a check-valve into the line if there is an concern about backups? Maybe I misunderstood.
In any event, we had a standalone ice maker at my former place of **rk and it was very quiet - don't remember the brand though (happily, it's been a while ).


Im with you on this. Confused. Does the ice maker in question have a fresh water supply or does it rely on filling a reservoir? Dont see why a drain line plumbed to under sink or other drain could not be accomplished but I guess it would waste water. Beats drilling the slab!
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I am no plumber, but I can't imagine why the original builder would have put in a pump, if a gravity drain was available.

We really can't afford to make a mistake here. Getting a new ice machine affects not just the plumbing, but the new (custom) cabinetry as well.There's no plumbing hookup in the garage, so an ice machine couldn't go there, either.

I'd say phooey on the ice machine, except the kitchen is not big enough to accommodate a standalone freezer, freezer drawers etc, and an in-the-fridge door ice maker would take away valuable freezer space. Plus I hate them for all sorts of other reasons!

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Yes, in my rental properties, I remove all ice makers immediately if I can't buy the "stripped down" appliance. Ice makers are BY FAR the most frequent service calls for refrigerators.

Regarding the OP, I don't understand why, for a gravity drain, you have to drill a separate drain line all the way to the septic tank - can't you just tap into a nearby sink or dishwasher drain? Put a check-valve into the line if there is an concern about backups? Maybe I misunderstood.
In any event, we had a standalone ice maker at my former place of **rk and it was very quiet - don't remember the brand though (happily, it's been a while ).
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Is the pump part of the ice maker or something the builder put in?
I think you mentioned the machine is installed in an island? It might need to be relocated to install a drain to toe into the sink. Does it have a water supply line or do you have to fill a reservoir?
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Im with you on this. Confused. Does the ice maker in question have a fresh water supply or does it rely on filling a reservoir? Dont see why a drain line plumbed to under sink or other drain could not be accomplished but I guess it would waste water. Beats drilling the slab!
The under counter units have a supply line, just like the freezer units. They require a drain line (which the freezer unit doesn't). The ice is clearer and tastes better because the water is circulated over a freezing plate until it reaches the required thickness, then the slab of ice is cut into cubes by a heating grid. The process of freezing flowing water leaves minerals and other impurities in the flowing water, and it eventually gets flushed out of the machine the next time it fills the water reservoir.

There is an electronic controller that sequences the fill, pump, freezing and cutting cycles automatically. They do need to be cleaned periodically, depending on how much they are used (I cleaned mine once in 12 years, and it didn't really need it).
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DW can't stand the odor from the fridge, so we got a FirstBuild opal ice maker. The ice is pretty good. However, you do have to fill the water manually, which is a pain. The ice maker is pretty quiet unless you don't have adequate water in the tank.

They are coming out with a side tank that would allow you to see the water level and add water as needed...
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The under counter units have a supply line, just like the freezer units. They require a drain line (which the freezer unit doesn't). The ice is clearer and tastes better because the water is circulated over a freezing plate until it reaches the required thickness, then the slab of ice is cut into cubes by a heating grid. The process of freezing flowing water leaves minerals and other impurities in the flowing water, and it eventually gets flushed out of the machine the next time it fills the water reservoir.



There is an electronic controller that sequences the fill, pump, freezing and cutting cycles automatically. They do need to be cleaned periodically, depending on how much they are used (I cleaned mine once in 12 years, and it didn't really need it).


Ok I got a clearer picture now but OPs machine does not have drain line if I understand correctly. Are these the cylindrical cubes with a round hole in the center?
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I understand that hers has a drain line, but there is some type of "sump pump" to pump the drained water to a plumbed drain in her house.

Nope, square cubes about 5/8 of an inch square and about a half inch thick (you can vary the thickness from about 1/4 to 5/8 of an inch.
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I am reading all these discussions about pumps and drains, and I am confused. IMO, it looks like 2 kinds are being discussed. One is the large almost industrial one that is in many hotels. The other is a small self contained unit like the one I have.

We have a rectangular ice holder in our refrigerator freezer, that i refill from our ice maker. After I empty the ice from the ice maker, I refill it from a jug of water. That will make more ice than we need in a day.
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OP - I have to wonder how much ice do you use per day, as these machines seem like overkill.

You could get a in-the-fridge door ice maker which would take away valuable freezer space, BUT you could also get a small freezer and put it in the garage, and have more freezer space for less money, with less sound, and more space in the kitchen for something useful.

It will be a bit sad to hear you spend $2K for another noisy icemaker.
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Could be a difference in house architecture, could be a lot of things...the a/c is only 4 years old and is serviced regularly.

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We also live in Florida just under 4,000 sq.feet , pool and we keep the air at 74 .Our electric never goes over $200.
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Well, the last thing I want is for you to be sad.

But this is not the problem I am trying to solve :-) and I don't want to have to go out to the hot garage to get ice.

Incidentally, there are no small freezers to be had at this time, or so I have been informed.

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OP - I have to wonder how much ice do you use per day, as these machines seem like overkill.

You could get a in-the-fridge door ice maker which would take away valuable freezer space, BUT you could also get a small freezer and put it in the garage, and have more freezer space for less money, with less sound, and more space in the kitchen for something useful.

It will be a bit sad to hear you spend $2K for another noisy icemaker.
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