Beyond Meat Burger and Impossible Burger 2.0

[JRon]

I really like both, hamburger and steak. These new beef-like options are great for people who want that. Good to hear they're getting closer, but watch out - if something tastes too good it might contain real beef

[joeea]

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Originally Posted by FREE866 oh c'mon people...a McDonalds hamburger if left out on a plate for a month doesn't change.

Sorry, that's BS.

The patty is 100% pure beef.

[ERD50]

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Originally Posted by joeea Quote: Originally Posted by FREE866 ... oh c'mon people...a McDonalds hamburger if left out on a plate for a month doesn't change. ... Sorry, that's BS. The patty is 100% pure beef.

Yes, I'll be blunt and also call BS on most (maybe all, haven't checked every word) of what FREE866 has posted in this thread.

Slaughterhouses are not as he described. Anyhow, it's not like harvesting grain is without its own concerns. Here's a historical account of the harvesting of Barley:

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And these three men made a solemn vow, John Barleycorn would die They've ploughed, they've sown, they've harrowed, thrown clods upon his head Till these three men were satisfied John Barleycorn was dead They've let him stand till midsummer's day and he looks both pale and wan They've hired men with the sharp-edged scythes to cut him off at the knee They've rolled him and tied him around the waist, treated him most barbarously They've hired men with the sharp-edged forks to prick him to the heart And the loader has served him worse than that, for he's bound him to the cart They've hired men with the crab tree sticks to split him skin from bone And the miller has served him worse than that, for he's ground him between two stones

Horrors! What did that poor little grain do to deserve that treatment?

-ERD50

[FREE866]

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Originally Posted by ERD50 Yes, I'll be blunt and also call BS on most (maybe all, haven't checked every word) of what FREE866 has posted in this thread. -ERD50

Oh really?


I've posted sources to validate my comments in most of the posts


you obviously chose not to read them.

[ExFlyBoy5]

This is NOT the city data forum. I wish people would realize this fact.

[cyber888]

+1000 Amen. Cow Burgers have tons of fillers .. called the Red Slime. It's not pure beef. I read that McDo is only able to say '100% Pure Beef' is because that's the name of their supplier '100% Pure Beef'. It's a trick.

We have been eating Beyond Meat burgers and their Italian sausage. The Burgers are almost like real beef. They use a water base process to extract the pea, and they don't use Hexane and Soy. Impossible uses Soy. We're sticking to Beyond Burger, which can be purchased in our local grocery store.

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Originally Posted by FREE866 Couple things.....burgers are not "health food" so I find it funny that some people are against plant based burgers for fear they are "processed". Please realize the amount of fillers and preservatives that go into a cow burger. Add in the environmental impact , health consequences and what is considered "normal" amount of cruelty involved with the animals as well. We are on the cusp of a dramatic shift and given that protein is amino acids, lipids, trace minerals , and water (and all that is available through plants) I think that we will look back at 2019 as the year it started to become more normalized. I find it all quite fascinating.

[joeea]

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Originally Posted by cyber888 I read that McDo is only able to say '100% Pure Beef' is because that's the name of their supplier '100% Pure Beef'. It's a trick.

LOL! Where did you "read" that wacky theory?

[MichaelB]

Let's please keep the discussion civil. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

[ExFlyBoy5]

OK, so some folks like real beef and some folks like fake beef and no one is going to change any minds here.

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Originally Posted by MichaelB Let's please keep the discussion civil. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Just saw your updated location.

[audreyh1]

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Originally Posted by cyber888 +1000 Amen. Cow Burgers have tons of fillers .. called the Red Slime. It's not pure beef. I read that McDo is only able to say '100% Pure Beef' is because that's the name of their supplier '100% Pure Beef'. It's a trick.

Snopes says this is false. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/

[MichaelB]

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Originally Posted by ExFlyBoy5 OK, so some folks like real beef and some folks like fake beef and no one is going to change any minds here.

True, but there may be some that don't have an opinion formed and are looking for information. Maybe thread participants can keep them in mind.

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Originally Posted by ExFlyBoy5 Just saw your updated location.

I like it because it's a place where civility rules.

[audreyh1]

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Originally Posted by FREE866 That's fine. However because of "humans taking advantage of resources" we are now facing some pretty big consequences. I could go on for pages , but this is a pretty good summary: https://www.outsideonline.com/239973...-meat-alt-meat

Sorry, that article didn’t make much sense to me. Sure, these companies may be successful with their product. I don’t think that means the beef industry is going away any time soon. The US beef industry actually hasn’t grown in decades in terms of heads of cattle. Americans eat far more chicken now. As long as I have a supply of grass fed beef, I’m happy. That at least is more available these days. People can’t eat grass, but cattle and sheep can.

[Midpack]

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Originally Posted by audreyh1 Sorry, that article didn’t make much sense to me. Sure, these companies may be successful with their product. I don’t think that means the beef industry is going away any time soon. The US beef industry actually hasn’t grown in decades in terms of heads of cattle. Americans eat far more chicken. As long as I have a supply of grass fed beef, I’m happy. That at least is more available these days. People can’t eat grass, but cattle and sheep can.

+1, the article sounds like clickbait hyperbole.

I don’t believe the beef industry will go away ever, but it’s nice to have alternatives. We’re big fans of Beyond Meat, and we’re happy eating less beef (than the average American?). DW never eats red meat, but I like a good prime steak a couple times a year, and high end grass fed beef burgers at restaurants every month or so. What do they say, moderation in all things?

[Retch The Grate]

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Originally Posted by Jerry1 Wow. And people want to eat that? As has been mentioned, certainly a highly processed food. I don’t eat great, but I do pretty well at staying away from an ingredient list like the one above. I was out at Soy, but three types? Then the what the heck is that - Methycellulose, soy Leghemoglobin . . . No thanks. Reminds me of diet soda. I’ll take a real soda in moderation. With a real burger.

Methylcellulose is a common filler/thickener it is indigestible cellulose that is harmless to humans.

the Soy Leghemoglobin is the hemoglobin equivalent that gives it that proper burger taste and juice.

[ERD50]

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Originally Posted by ExFlyBoy5 OK, so some folks like real beef and some folks like fake beef and no one is going to change any minds here. ...

Why does it have to be about changing anyone's mind? Can't we just discuss the topic and take from it what we can?

These are an alternative, and I'm interested in hearing people's opinion of them. I'm not sure anyone knows if they are healthier or not, and I doubt it matters. I enjoy a good burger, but they don't make up a very significant percent of my diet.

They may well be better for the environment, the process of turning vegetable matter into meat does require a lot of resources. But even that is a fairly complex calculation (but I feel pretty safe on siding with these being 'better'). But again, if I have a burger once or twice a month, does it really matter?

For me personally, I have not been a fan of vegetable products that try to emulate meat. But maybe these would be different. I eat some vegetarian based meals because I like those vegetables in a meal, I'm not looking for them to taste like meat. Not being a purist about it means I don't mind if there is some meat broth, or a bit of bacon or sausage for a little zing. Flexibility is good (for me).

-ERD50

[unclemick]

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Originally Posted by audreyh1 Sorry, that article didn’t make much sense to me. Sure, these companies may be successful with their product. I don’t think that means the beef industry is going away any time soon. The US beef industry actually hasn’t grown in decades in terms of heads of cattle. Americans eat far more chicken now. As long as I have a supply of grass fed beef, I’m happy. That at least is more available these days. People can’t eat grass, but cattle and sheep can.

Don't forget the Bison! We get some from a place near Belton, MO.

heh heh heh - Also bought the cookbook. Wife won a contest (church cookoff) for her Bison chili.

[audreyh1]

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Originally Posted by unclemick Don't forget the Bison! We get some from a place near Belton, MO. heh heh heh - Also bought the cookbook. Wife won a contest (church cookoff) for her Bison chili.

Oh yeah, bison too!

[daylatedollarshort]

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Originally Posted by ERD50 But again, if I have a burger once or twice a month, does it really matter?

The recent U.N. Climate report has a chart on various diets that may help combat global warming and how much each one reduces greenhouse gas emissions here.

[Winemaker]

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Originally Posted by daylatedollarshort The recent U.N. Climate report has a chart on various diets that may help combat global warming and how much each one reduces greenhouse gas emissions here.

Now you did it. Throw global warming/greenhouse gases into a thread discussing a healthy/unhealthy, processed/unprocessed, fake/real, centuries old/brand new, tasty/no taste, low fat/high fat protein source.

Waiting for whether it can be heated by solar/renewable/cheaper/carbon fueled power.

[ERD50]

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Originally Posted by daylatedollarshort The recent U.N. Climate report has a chart on various diets that may help combat global warming and how much each one reduces greenhouse gas emissions here.

Thanks, that is an interesting chart.

Later, after more coffee, I may try to see if I can bring that down to a personal level - would changing, say a majority of my meals to meat-less, or low meat make any signification difference? IOW, how do those numbers compare to our other carbon 'budget (transportation, HVAC, making the stuff we use), etc). Yes, every little bit helps, but as has been pointed out by MacKay, it only helps a little bit.

Then there is water and land resources, etc, but still interested in the scale. I just don't know at this point.

-ERD50