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03-28-2020, 11:22 AM
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Did you keep a screenshot proof that you did it ?
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Heh. It's my backpocket move to avoid the next draft. I also saved the letter with my name on it.
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03-28-2020, 11:27 AM
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The census is required to talley all residents. A citizenship question was not allowed because it might chill responses.
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That is one thing that has always been a bit odd for me. One big use of the census is to apportion congressional districts. Within those congressional districts decided by the census, only citizens can vote in federal elections. So why do we use residents rather than citizens to apportion congressional districts?
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03-28-2020, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pb4uski
That is one thing that has always been a bit odd for me. One big use of the census is to apportion congressional districts. Within those congressional districts decided by the census, only citizens can vote in federal elections. So why do we use residents rather than citizens to apportion congressional districts?
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About 7% of the U.S. population is non-citizens. So one could argue that 7% of 435 Members of Congress, or about 30 full-time Member equivalents (FMEs) represent citizens of foreign countries.
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03-28-2020, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pb4uski
That is one thing that has always been a bit odd for me. One big use of the census is to apportion congressional districts. Within those congressional districts decided by the census, only citizens can vote in federal elections. So why do we use residents rather than citizens to apportion congressional districts?
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Those congresscritters represent all the people in their districts, not just voting age citizens.
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03-28-2020, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pb4uski
That is one thing that has always been a bit odd for me. One big use of the census is to apportion congressional districts. Within those congressional districts decided by the census, only citizens can vote in federal elections. So why do we use residents rather than citizens to apportion congressional districts?
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@braumeister is correct. It's because the Constitution requires representation to be proportional to everyone living there, not just citizens. Back when it was written, they were accounting for Indians and slaves and mainly seemed to be thinking about those two situations. It was later amended around the time of the Civil War.
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03-28-2020, 01:10 PM
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Those congresscritters represent all the people in their districts, not just voting age citizens.
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Don't forget about children under 18 and incarcerated prisoners. With prisoners, we have had some litigation in New York State about where they are considered to be "living" when counted for the census. Is it where the prison is or where they were living prior to being imprisoned. We have thousands of upstate prisoners who were living in NYC before they got sent away, and there have been battles over where they get counted because that can swing representation in the state legislature.
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03-28-2020, 01:12 PM
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We completed our census the other day. It was easy and quick although I got stuck on the one about my heritage. I'm from HERE, the USA, but Mom's family was from Rumania/Hungary depending on who was answering the question. Dad's family was from Pennsylvania but originally from Lithuania (or was it Latvia?) I answered a mix of all that.
Besides this online census our household is also in the National Crime Victimization Survey. We got a letter about this last year and had an in person interview last summer. Our interviews were fairly quick because we haven't had any crimes.
Last month I had a follow up phone interview that included reporting some interaction with police that I had to report. I witnessed a car accident and I called the police to report it, stayed at the scene and spoke to the officer. Also had an officer show up at our house to ask a question about another matter. We will be getting phone interviews every six months for a while.
Didn't volunteer for this, can't opt out. https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245
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03-28-2020, 01:21 PM
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I completed our Census questions online, short form.
The reason for the ethnicity questions is so that employment data can be compared to census data. Ethnicity has been asked in the census many times.
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03-28-2020, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scrabbler1
Don't forget about children under 18 and incarcerated prisoners. With prisoners, we have had some litigation in New York State about where they are considered to be "living" when counted for the census. Is it where the prison is or where they were living prior to being imprisoned. We have thousands of upstate prisoners who were living in NYC before they got sent away, and there have been battles over where they get counted because that can swing representation in the state legislature.
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That is an interesting situation. Never thought of it, but it does present a dilemma. What is the current directive? A small town with a big prison could definitely change local districts.
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03-28-2020, 01:28 PM
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@braumeister is correct. It's because the Constitution requires representation to be proportional to everyone living there, not just citizens. Back when it was written, they were accounting for Indians and slaves and mainly seemed to be thinking about those two situations. It was later amended around the time of the Civil War.
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Not only slaves and Native Americans, but women couldn't vote then either (not until 100 years ago).
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03-28-2020, 01:32 PM
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I don't recall 'legal' as one of the questions.
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it should've been.
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03-28-2020, 03:38 PM
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Thank you all for an interesting discussion.
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