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04-17-2022, 09:02 AM
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Nobody here seems to be talking too much about "layering on real world things" to an NFT. Sam Harris explains how that's part of his plan
https://youtube.com/u1DgYveFF4Y?t=94
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04-17-2022, 07:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FLSUnFIRE
If there is an EMP attack or solar storm and I survive, I still have my painting (and it might bring me comfort as the world burns) but the NFT would be gone.
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And if your house burns down then you lose the painting, but you would still have the NFT.
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04-17-2022, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DayDreaming
If I understand this correctly, yes the digital thing (tweet, cartoon) can be copied very easily, but the NFT cannot. NFTs are unique and cannot be copied. I get that but I can't help wondering how anyone knows that you have THE NFT for owning that thing. I mean there's a long history of forgeries in the art world and even museums have found out that they own forged Van Goghs. Couldn't someone forge an NFT? Just like a painting, the original would still be out there, but what would prevent someone from creating a new, fake NFT that says this digital cartoon is THE original one and that YOU now own it legitimately?
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That is the point. When you store something on the blockchain (this new fancy database), it can not be forged because of the cryptographic properties. All of the blockchain explanations are also filled with so much jargon it is nearly impossible to follow. However, here is a really good one and will show you exactly how it works.
Ohh and anyone can browse the blockchain to see who owns what. You can simply pull up an app on your phone to prove to your friends that you own the asset. And they can pull it up on their device too.
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04-18-2022, 05:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by clobber
And if your house burns down then you lose the painting, but you would still have the NFT.
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But it still wouldn't bring me joy.... especially standing in the smouldering ruins of my house. I've taken a digital picture of it... just don't have some block chain pointing to the picture and the picture doesn't bring me much joy but comes in handy on the rare occasion I am out and it comes up in conversation.
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Explain this to me like I am five years old (NFT)
04-18-2022, 08:46 AM
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Explain this to me like I am five years old (NFT)
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Originally Posted by jurgs01
NFTs don't have to be a claim to a picture. They can be a title to your house, season tickets, a subscription, a will, etc.
NFT future is in replacing costly processes to verify or assign ownership or access.
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+1. Blockchain technology offers the promise of perfect, verifiable open-source record keeping of all kinds and an end to our reliance on hackable, centralized server farms.
Right now, however, we’re in the “Katie Couric, ‘Yeah, I don’t know if I’ll really use this internet thing’” ignorance and derision phase of development, while the Webvan and Ask Jeeves natural selection market shakeouts into Amazon and Google are ahead of us.
We might be better served and rewarded financially through a posture of curiosity and humility.
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04-18-2022, 08:57 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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I get using an NFT to record the deed to your house or something like that I guess, where it represents something of value. I can even understand an NFT that records your ownership of the plans to your house, assuming they were something you paid to have custom designed by an architect and retained the rights.
I don't really get an NFT that records the fact that you were the first person on your street to put shag carpeting in your upstairs master bedroom.
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04-18-2022, 08:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Markola
+1. Blockchain technology offers the promise of perfect, verifiable open-source record keeping of all kinds and an end to our reliance on hackable, centralized server farms.
Right now, however, we’re in the beginning “Katie Couric, ‘Yeah, I don’t know if I’ll really use this internet thing’” phase of development and the Webvan and Ask Jeeves natural selection market shakeouts into Amazon and Google are ahead of us.
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I agree the technology will prove useful but selling of tweets and other silly things are equivalent to Beenie Baby's or maybe Pets.com back in the day.
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04-18-2022, 09:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fermion
I don't really get an NFT that records the fact that you were the first person on your street to put shag carpeting in your upstairs master bedroom.
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I think we should all have NFTs made of our screen names and FIRE date!
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04-18-2022, 09:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FLSUnFIRE
I agree the technology will prove useful but selling of tweets and other silly things are equivalent to Beenie Baby's or maybe Pets.com back in the day.
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Silly often evolves to essential quickly and unpredictably. The world’s smartest tech minds are pouring into blockchain development of all kinds.
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04-18-2022, 09:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Markola
Right now, however, we’re in the “Katie Couric, ‘Yeah, I don’t know if I’ll really use this internet thing’” ignorance and derision phase of development, while the Webvan and Ask Jeeves natural selection market shakeouts into Amazon and Google are ahead of us.
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I think this is a fair assessment. Yes, some of the things that NFTs are being used for right now are completely inane and are unlikely to stick around, like buying tweets. But the technology is useful. Right now, we're in the "throw it all against the wall and see what sticks" stage. I'm sure in a couple of years, when most of the nonsense has been filtered out, we'll all be using NFTs in one way or another.
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04-18-2022, 10:03 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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I agree with Marcola that blockchain technology will be of growing importance. Even NFTs registered on the blockchain will have their place - I don't pretend to know what that will ultimately be but I am guessing variations on cartoon apes won't be a major factor. Gartner's hype cycle charts are always fun. They show a couple of key elements of blockchain tech having passed the trough of disillusionment and heading towards the plateau of productivity. Many other elements have a long way to go. Note that NFTs are at the top of the hype cycle and poised to plummet.
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04-18-2022, 10:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sengsational
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link is dead
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04-19-2022, 05:08 PM
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Thanks for the interesting discussion.
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