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Old 05-29-2019, 05:28 PM   #21
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Maybe just me, but I always think, for lack of a better word, feels weird in a mixed group of males and females and the group gets referred to as "hey guys". I've seen that on newscasts with the male and female anchors refers to as "guys".
It is a change in language over the last few decades or so.

I was surprised how many people we encountered in Europe who comfortably use the expression "you guys" to a mixed audience too. I just thought it was a Yank thing.

Here in the South, we are desperately trying to hold on to "ya'll," but are rapidly losing the battle to "you guys."

BTW, "The Electric Company" some nearly 50 odd years ago helped popularize it to a new generation. I seriously think this had a lot to do with spreading it.
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Maybe just me, but I always think, for lack of a better word, feels weird in a mixed group of males and females and the group gets referred to as "hey guys". I've seen that on newscasts with the male and female anchors refers to as "guys".
Nah. When I started in my field there were only about 6% women. Most women who choose a heavily male field know it and don't care about stuff like that. In fact, lately mega is trying to be more inclusive and started a women's group. I initially declined to join, as I prefer to be evaluated on my job performance. And I kinda liked being one of the guys...
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Unfortunately, the fear of false accusations probably deters a lot of very qualified men from teaching and other jobs that puts them in close contact with underage females. It only takes is one upset or angry girl to make a false accusation that destroys someone's career and reputation. Why would anyone risk it?
Years ago, my daughter's elementary school had one, just 1!, male teacher. I think it was 4th grade. Let's call him Mr. Cool since he drove a very nice, very old Porsche he had fixed up himself.

Large numbers of single moms requested him as the teacher for their son so the boy could be exposed to a good male role model. And, the pricipal, who did not want parents complaining to the Superintenden'ts Office, made exceptions to how the children were supposed to be divided into the classes.

After a few years the word was out: The principal found herself getting numerous requests to NOT put children in Mr. Cool's class because it was full of misbehaving, troubled boys. The principal, who had tried to give parents what they wanted, ended setting up the children for failure, and putting Mr. Cool in to a very unfair and stressful environment. The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again.
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Here in Portland there's an organization (non-profit?) aimed specifically at getting women into the trades, and there have been several articles in local papers about how more women are doing it. The last time I got a bid for an electrical job, the estimator was a young woman. That said, women in the trades have to contend with discrimination and harassment (perhaps more than in life in general). That's no doubt another reason there are fewer women. But things seem to be changing. Especially since so many blue collar jobs are going begging due to lack of qualified applicants. Hopefully more women will step in.
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Unfortunately, the fear of false accusations probably deters a lot of very qualified men from teaching and other jobs that puts them in close contact with underage females. It only takes is one upset or angry girl to make a false accusation that destroys someone's career and reputation. Why would anyone risk it?
+1 It's not just "underage" females, but any females...one of the effects of the "me too" movement.
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Here in Portland there's an organization (non-profit?) aimed specifically at getting women into the trades, and there have been several articles in local papers about how more women are doing it. The last time I got a bid for an electrical job, the estimator was a young woman. That said, women in the trades have to contend with discrimination and harassment (perhaps more than in life in general). That's no doubt another reason there are fewer women. But things seem to be changing. Especially since so many blue collar jobs are going begging due to lack of qualified applicants. Hopefully more women will step in.
Some professions are dominated by women, for example the vast majority of nurses and elementary school teachers are women, and close to 90% of veterinary medicine students are women. Are there any organizations that advocate against discrimination against men and for getting more men into those professions?
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We now have more male nurses, so more female plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics would be a natural progression.
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Some professions are dominated by women, for example the vast majority of nurses and elementary school teachers are women, and close to 90% of veterinary medicine students are women. Are there any organizations that advocate against discrimination against men and for getting more men into those professions?
I have to admit that I agree with you on this, but mega doesn't, and I've learned not to point this out. It is also an unpopular view with some of my female colleagues.
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I have to admit that I agree with you on this, but mega doesn't, and I've learned not to point this out. It is also an unpopular view with some of my female colleagues.
Who is mega?
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Some professions are dominated by women, for example the vast majority of nurses and elementary school teachers are women, and close to 90% of veterinary medicine students are women. Are there any organizations that advocate against discrimination against men and for getting more men into those professions?
From what I understand, about 60% of college degrees go to females.

If a person has a son, going to college may be a great idea. He can have his pick of smart young women. OTOH, college women may need to seek out the electricians and plumbers.
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+1 It's not just "underage" females, but any females...one of the effects of the "me too" movement.
That's right. Until those uppity "me too" women came along, there was never any sexual harassment. Kind of like how ubiquitous video cameras caused the huge outbreak of police brutality.
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That's right. Until those uppity "me too" women came along, there was never any sexual harassment. Kind of like how ubiquitous video cameras caused the huge outbreak of police brutality.
I don't think that's a fair analogy, and I did not say there was never any sexual harassment before, you are mischaracterizing what I said. The culture has become so polarized to the point where any woman can claim that a man committed "sexual harrasment," and it doesn't matter if her claim is true, or what the man did, or what she did, or even if the facts that she claims even constitute sexual harrasment at all...the man's career is over. That's wrong.
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That's right. Until those uppity "me too" women came along, there was never any sexual harassment. Kind of like how ubiquitous video cameras caused the huge outbreak of police brutality.
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I don't think that's a fair analogy, and I did not say there was never any sexual harassment before, you are mischaracterizing what I said. The culture has become so polarized to the point where any woman can claim that a man committed "sexual harrasment," and it doesn't matter if her claim is true, or what the man did, or even if the facts that she claims even constitute sexual harrasment at all...the man's career is over. That's wrong.
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It may be worth pointing out that some traditionally female-dominated professions, such as elementary school teacher or administrative assistant, are not among the more highly compensated.

Relatively low compensation could be one reason making those professions less attractive to men than other options. It could also explain why the number of male nurses seems to be rising, since nursing tends to be better paid than the other jobs I mentioned. For a fact, I have read that male nurses are in demand nowadays, due to the need to be able to lift very overweight patients.

To be sure, one would need data on how many men versus women apply for those jobs, and the rejection rate for each sex.

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It may be worth pointing out that some traditionally female-dominated professions, such as elementary school teacher or administrative assistant, are not among the more highly compensated.

Relatively low compensation could be one reason making those professions less attractive to men than other options. It could also explain why the number of male nurses seems to be rising, since nursing tends to be better paid than the other jobs I mentioned. For a fact, I have read that male nurses are in demand nowadays, due to the need to be able to lift very overweight patients.

To be sure, one would need data on how many men versus women apply for those jobs, and the rejection rate for each sex.
I agree that there are many factors involved that may explain why some professions are female dominated, and probably most or all of the factors are not related to intentional gender discrimination against men. But I think the same thing is true for professions dominated by men, that is to say most or all of the reasons have nothing to do with gender discrimination against women, at least not in 2019. For example, the vast majority of engineers are men, something like 90%, and I don't think that is the result of gender discrmination against women but rather the result of free choice...i.e. most women do not choose to go to engineering school.

The argument that women are discriminated against and discouraged to become engineers because of their gender in STEM fields does not hold up to the data since the majority of medical students are female, and the overwhelming majority of nursing and veterinary medicine students are female, and those fields are STEM fields. And women now comprise half of all law students. So the objective evidence indicates that there is no gender discrimination preventing women from getting a professional level education in a STEM field or other fields, including fields that used to be dominated by men.

I am not so naive to think that women were not subject to discrimination in higher education in the past, of course they were. But today in 2019, women and men have equal access to higher education, and the fact that some professions are dominated by men while others are dominated by women is the result of free choice, not gender discrimination. As shocking as it may sound to some people, men and women are different and sometimes make different choices.
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I don't think that's a fair analogy, and I did not say there was never any sexual harassment before, you are mischaracterizing what I said. The culture has become so polarized to the point where any woman can claim that a man committed "sexual harrasment," and it doesn't matter if her claim is true, or what the man did, or what she did, or even if the facts that she claims even constitute sexual harrasment at all...the man's career is over. That's wrong.
And where does this take us to?

An article in Forbes 10 days ago said 60% of men are uncomfortable working with women. Up 14% from a year ago.

Kind of a shame what the world has become.
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