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02-14-2012, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by donheff
The BBC, Slashdot and others are reporting that an independent study, funded by climate skeptics including the Koch brothers has confirmed that global warming is real.
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HaHa, good one...!
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02-14-2012, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FinanceDude
I hold science in high regard.
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Please pick one of the above.
The fact is that there is a huge consensus on /a/ climate change and /b/ its anthropogenic nature.
In my experience, climate change deniers tend to hold all of these beliefs more or less simultaneously:
- Scientists don't agree that the earth is warming;
- OK, so scientists do mostly agree, but that's because they're all liberals who hate America and want to take my SUV away from me;
- OK, so the earth is warming - "I never said it wasn't" - but humans didn't cause it;
- OK, so humans did cause it, but there's nothing we can do;
- There have been ice ages before; therefore, one will come along and save us;
- Anyway, it's 3 degrees below the seasonal average today, so answer that one, hippy.
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02-14-2012, 11:09 AM
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OK, I'm not going to question that global warming exists and even that it is human habits based.
My issue is with how much guilt I should carry around about global warming? Maybe it should be 1 part in 7 billion (population based)? Or more?
How much of a lifestyle change should I accept?
- no cozy fires in stove?
- stop driving except for essentials?
- buy with primary mission to reduce CO2?
- demand others start sacrificing?
- politically let this become one of my hot button issues?
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02-14-2012, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lsbcal
OK, I'm not going to question that global warming exists and even that it is human habits based.
My issue is with how much guilt I should carry around about global warming? Maybe it should be 1 part in 7 billion (population based)? Or more?
How much of a lifestyle change should I accept?
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This reaction is entirely rational. I wish that the debate could be conducted at this level - by both sides. The I-don't-like-middle-class-values people have been telling us that the sky is falling (pesticides, nuclear power, etc) for years, with the additional mantra "don't trust the scientists". Now that for once the science is on their side, they're milking it for all it's worth.
My position is nicely summarised by this clip. (Note for Americans: "Clarkson" is Jeremy Clarkson, an outspoken UK motoring journalist.)
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02-14-2012, 11:37 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Originally Posted by BigNick
This reaction is entirely rational. I wish that the debate could be conducted at this level - by both sides. The I-don't-like-middle-class-values people have been telling us that the sky is falling (pesticides, nuclear power, etc) for years, with the additional mantra "don't trust the scientists". Now that for once the science is on their side, they're milking it for all it's worth.
My position is nicely summarised by this clip. (Note for Americans: "Clarkson" is Jeremy Clarkson, an outspoken UK motoring journalist.)
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He is great.
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02-14-2012, 01:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigNick
This reaction is entirely rational. I wish that the debate could be conducted at this level - by both sides. The I-don't-like-middle-class-values people have been telling us that the sky is falling (pesticides, nuclear power, etc) for years, with the additional mantra "don't trust the scientists". Now that for once the science is on their side, they're milking it for all it's worth.
My position is nicely summarised by this clip. (Note for Americans: "Clarkson" is Jeremy Clarkson, an outspoken UK motoring journalist.)
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Cute.
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02-14-2012, 02:13 PM
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Note that fires in the fireplace don't contribute to climate change. The trees suck in the carbon, and release it whether they burn in your fireplace (fast oxidation) or rot on the forest floor (slow oxidation).
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02-14-2012, 02:23 PM
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My crystal ball says this thread may end up in "Bugs Bunny" territory?
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02-14-2012, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TromboneAl
Note that fires in the fireplace don't contribute to climate change. The trees suck in the carbon, and release it whether they burn in your fireplace (fast oxidation) or rot on the forest floor (slow oxidation).
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Thanks Al, that had not even remotely occurred to me.
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02-14-2012, 03:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TromboneAl
Note that fires in the fireplace don't contribute to climate change. The trees suck in the carbon, and release it whether they burn in your fireplace (fast oxidation) or rot on the forest floor (slow oxidation).
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Not according to "these scientists" Soot And Methane Reduction Key To Slowing Global Warming And Saving Lives, Study Finds? Just makes my head spin...good grief!
Who says there's no such thing as too much information, must have been before the "interwebs."
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02-14-2012, 03:59 PM
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Real solution: Fewer people.
It may come about naturally through some influenza H1N1 variant. Or war.
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02-14-2012, 04:08 PM
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02-14-2012, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by eridanus
Real solution: Fewer people.
It may come about naturally through some influenza H1N1 variant. Or war.
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Imagine, if you will, seven billion people, consuming energy in an American kind of way...
As a general principle, I try to minimize my "footprint" on the planet. What the heck, it saves money AND helps the environment. What's not to like...
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02-14-2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by HFWR
Imagine, if you will, seven billion people, consuming energy in an American kind of way...
As a general principle, I try to minimize my "footprint" on the planet. What the heck, it saves money AND helps the environment. What's not to like...
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You must be a Molly Ivins Texan?
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02-14-2012, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HFWR
Imagine, if you will, seven billion people, consuming energy in an American kind of way...
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The world uses ~85mm barrels of oil a day. The US uses 1/4th of that. Now if we divide 7B by 300M, we get...uh oh. Talk about a quality of life adjustment.
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02-14-2012, 05:35 PM
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Judeo-Christian upbringing, with a helping of Boy Scouts...
Yep, enjoyed both Molly and Ann Richards. True originals. Liberals in a Texas kind of way.
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02-14-2012, 05:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HFWR
Judeo-Christian upbringing, with a helping of Boy Scouts...
Yep, enjoyed both Molly and Ann Richards. True originals. Liberals in a Texas kind of way.
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My ex used to get the Texas Observer. It definitely seemed that those Austin liberals were more fun than the coastal subspecies I was used to.
Ha
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02-14-2012, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by eridanus
Real solution: Fewer people.
It may come about naturally through some influenza H1N1 variant. Or war.
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I think that as the root problem, with environmental issues as symptoms.
Imagine what the world would be like with only 1 billion inhabitants.
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02-14-2012, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TromboneAl
I think that as the root problem, with environmental issues as symptoms.
Imagine what the world would be like with only 1 billion inhabitants.
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Yep, me and 999,999,999 women. I'm for it! Sorry about all you other guys, it's been great!
Ha
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