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Old 11-14-2018, 01:39 PM   #41
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I occasionally watch this guy's videos for lessons learned.



I do own a revolver for home defense and for when I'm out camping in the middle of nowhere but I'm not a gun person and hope to never have to use it sort of like having car insurance.
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I cannot stress how much I disagree with "Average" people having guns for self defense. I do not want to live in an area where I would need one. I would be against the OP getting one for Self Defense. Thank goodness we have choices about where we live. If I had to worry about such things I would move. Living in an area where every day folk feel the need to carry a gun when out of their home or shooting range/club is not my idea of a nice place to retire. I have shot competition pistol (IPSC etc.) when I was a little younger, so I am not against guns. I also have a CCP. I have sold my guns now though, but do maintain my CCP, just because I can. When I had them they were locked up, and it would probably take me too long to get them in a break in if I ever needed to actually use one for self defense. Keeping a loaded gun close as some have mentioned is a recipe for disaster, and has been proven so many times.


I’m not sure what area you can live in to assure “you’re safe from violence”.

Certainly, as others have said, if you’re afraid of guns, for heavens sake (and everyone around you) please don’t get one! You’ll be more of a danger than a benefit.

If you do have weapons (any kind of weapon) and don’t train and practice with them, please get rid of them.

As for being able to live with yourself if you have to use it, the key to me is HAVE TO use it. If I felt myself or family in imminent threat, I think I’d be ok.
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I am very surprised those guys didn't just shoot the front door down.
It is three against one unless they are hearing her husband or another family member inside threatening with their own firearm(s).
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..... Keeping a loaded gun close as some have mentioned is a recipe for disaster, and has been proven so many times.
When I was younger, we socialized with a guy who was a Secret Service agent. One day he came home to find his teen aged son had blown a hole in his dresser with his pistol. Odd, because I'm sure he had told the kid in the past to never touch it.
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When I was younger, we socialized with a guy who was a Secret Service agent. One day he came home to find his teen aged son had blown a hole in his dresser with his pistol. Odd, because I'm sure he had told the kid in the past to never touch it.


True story, not a rhetorical reply:

When I was 8, my cousin (10) was running with long bladed scissors, fell, and pierced his heart.

I am sure he had been told not to run with them....
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Seems like a different world when I was growing up. My DF kept a rifle in the corner of the porch just in case he spotted a groundhog or some other varmint. This was an unlocked porch and he even took the door off in the summer. He made it clear to me that I wasn't to touch that rifle, and I never did, until I was old enough and he had given me some lessons on how to handle it properly. Definitely wouldn't want to trust today's kids with that kind of situation.
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Hopefully, you wouldn't know. None, and I mean zero, nada, not a one of my neighbors know I have guns. I don't talk about it, not even a casual mention. I don't show off the collection. It's something to be kept completely and absolutely to yourself without exception.
When our sons were young, they told us about their friend down the street who showed off daddy's gun. I don't know if the father talked about it or showed off his collection. I only know his 8-year old son knew about the gun. Dad seemed surprised when I told him about it.

When I was a young teenager, the neighbors across the street made it known that the neighborhood was safe because their guns were always loaded. When their house alarm went off, we would never go over to see what was wrong because we were worried about being accidentally shot.
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True story, not a rhetorical reply:

When I was 8, my cousin (10) was running with long bladed scissors, fell, and pierced his heart.

I am sure he had been told not to run with them....
Folks like this will never be convinced otherwise and will always come up with something to justify their thoughts. Way more people are killed by guns than scissors.
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Folks like this will never be convinced otherwise and will always come up with something to justify their thoughts. Way more people are killed by guns than scissors.


Folks like this? Ok, I know who not to show a dissenting view from in the future...

I’m not on this site to argue, judge, or berate others. I’ll leave this thread to you that are.

Moving along....
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Folks like this will never be convinced otherwise and will always come up with something to justify their thoughts. Way more people are killed by guns than scissors.
Don't be silly. I'm sure that thousands of people a year fall with scissors and pierce their hearts. Much more common than firearm accidents.
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These forums are quite clearly NOT the place to debate whether or not firearms are a good idea in general for the population. Gun Rights is one of the topics specifically mentioned in the Community Rules which may be considered inappropriate, particularly when the tone of the conversation becomes disruptive.

It's getting awful close, so please take such disagreements offline or elsewhere in order for this thread to continue.

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For home defense, IMHO, the best solution is to harden your house. Security storm doors, double cylinder door locks, doors with one of the various setups that impair or prevent the door from being kicked in, mylar on the windows, secure locks on the windows, fix the release cord on the garage door. Things like that, things that will make the criminal go to someone else's house.
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If you don't practice on a regular basis or don't feel you could pull the trigger if in the rare case circumstances call for it, then by all means don't get one.
When I was a relatively new dad, I considered getting a gun for home defense. Before deciding, I got to spend some time with a gentleman who had been in the LAPD for 25 years. He gave me some great guidance.

He said you need to think long and hard about whether you’re willing to shoot and maybe kill another human being. He said if you’re not sure you could do it, don’t get a gun.

He also said, if you do decide to get one, you need to practice with it on a regular basis. Waking up at 3am to an intruder is not the time to figure out how to use your weapon.

I had my boys in the house, and now my grandsons are over a lot, so mine is always kept in a handgun safe in my bedroom.
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We named one of our dogs (a black lab) Axl Rose. Axl was a maniac for chasing a ball. He fell over dead one day while chasing a tennis ball I threw.
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We named one of our dogs (a black lab) Axl Rose. Axl was a maniac for chasing a ball. He fell over dead one day while chasing a tennis ball I threw.
Now that's how I'd like to go. No, not chasing a tennis ball, but doing what I love.
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Interesting discussion but I live in a country where you would not even be contemplating this discussion as guns are not an option.

Funny how no guns allowed = low crime rate.
I would contend that the crime rate is not affected by guns. Criminals are everywhere. Hence the solution of hardening one's residence as I previously described.

In most places of the world the criminals are just are not armed with guns, thus reducing the fatalities and injuries (to perps and victims) as a result of that crime.
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We had a dog that walked in the door last year and just fell over dead (blood clot). It sure saved us from all the agony of when to put to sleep, and also the expense of the medical procedure. That is the way to go, though.
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