Hallucinogens and addiction treatment

Remember when they put "coke" in coca cola! Ha. DF who worked for a large megacorp told of meetings where they slipped away and did "lines."

I think it's important to have support, a professional and people around who know and understand the effects and a back up "come down" type drug in case the treatment gets out of hand. Dosage and understanding ahead of time what the effects might be with total agreement with the patient.
 
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Being honest here... The show "Dragnet" influenced me a lot to not want to try LSD. The Blueboy episode scared the crap out of me. ("There I am, over there! My hair is green and I'm a tree!") Whether or not it was exaggerated, it worked pretty well on a 6 year old.

Oh, and my older cousins were doing some pretty weird stuff too. Scary real life behavior.

But as an actual therapeutic agent, it is time to give it a try again.
 
I just don’t think I’d consider even mentioning it to my son, unless it’s been studied scientifically and has some kind of FDA or official medical approval. And I’m not sure if or when that will happen.

It’s sorta in the vein of CBD. Why can’t this stuff get officially studied and either debunked or blessed as a treatment? It’s almost cruel to make all these claims but not have it substantiated.

It’s not like addiction is a big problem in America or something. Geez. Why isn’t this a highest priority type of thing?!
 
There are a lot of drugs that are useful and helpful when used under a doctor's supervision, but are just terrible when self-administered. Certain opioids come to mind.
 
There are a lot of drugs that are useful and helpful when used under a doctor's supervision, but are just terrible when self-administered. Certain opioids come to mind.

+1

Case in point, my younger brother. He swears that self-medicating with booze and pot are much better for him than being under the care of a mental health specialist and taking prescribed medication to help him smooth out his manic/depressive bi-polar states. The behavioral swings he experiences are often severe when he is not on medication and occasionally accompanied by auditory and visual hallucinations. He once bailed out of the passenger side of his friend's vehicle at a traffic signal because he thought someone in the car behind them was after him.
 
It’s not like addiction is a big problem in America or something. Geez. Why isn’t this a highest priority type of thing?!

Money?

Sadly, regarding the opioid mess, money was part of that, to the point of educating doctors to become "pushers."
 
Money?

Sadly, regarding the opioid mess, money was part of that, to the point of educating doctors to become "pushers."


Seems like an effective addiction and mental illness treatment would make lots of money for whoever can vet it and get it approved to the market.

So, following the money, would lead you to believe this would be explored aggressively. But it seems not.
 
Psilocybin and LSD are not addictive.
Odd that the opiate crisis popped up after 19 years of sending troops to where 90% of poppies are grown.
The pills the docs prescribe for mental health issues can be deadly. Even if administered properly.
 
The pills the docs prescribe for mental health b can be deadly. Even if administered properly.

Severe, untreated mental health issues can also be deadly - not only for patients themselves but others, as well.
 
Absolutely.
I'm not advocating self medicating or going off meds. Just pointing out there's danger to prescribed meds. Pretty sure they killed my wife.

Severe, untreated mental health issues can also be deadly - not only for patients themselves but others, as well.
 
Being honest here... The show "Dragnet" influenced me a lot to not want to try LSD. The Blueboy episode scared the crap out of me. ("There I am, over there! My hair is green and I'm a tree!") Whether or not it was exaggerated, it worked pretty well on a 6 year old.


My 7 year old proto-delinquent friends and I LOVED the blue-boy episode and the popular PSA from the same era showing the blue stove flame looking like a pretty blue flower as the innocent young girl reaches for it...
Over a decade later that episode would sometimes show up on reruns during college and everyone would gather around and cheer on the blueboy - "Further and and further out.... He made it. He's dead". Great stuff!
 
My 7 year old proto-delinquent friends and I LOVED the blue-boy episode and the popular PSA from the same era showing the blue stove flame looking like a pretty blue flower as the innocent young girl reaches for it...
Over a decade later that episode would sometimes show up on reruns during college and everyone would gather around and cheer on the blueboy - "Further and and further out.... He made it. He's dead". Great stuff!
Sorry to get a bit off topic (although this covers the perception of popular culture), but here are a few shots of the famous BlueBoy episode for reference.
 

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I have never had any mind-altering substance other than alcohol. It only makes me sleepy. Some of the above posts remind me of the movie "Altered States".

The husband of my SIL just recovered from a bout of schizophrenia, which was caused by him taking sleeping pills for many years. He went crazy, refused to eat, lost weight, and ended up in the ICU for a few days. Nobody knew what the cause was, until his wife made the connection to the sleeping pills. He now does not remember any of this episode.

I will just stick to my booze. :)
 
The state of our mental health system is truly dismal. In the northern third of our state, there are only 20 beds for those addicted on hard drugs and meth.

The quality of the few psychiatrists here is extremely poor, and some of them have sold their soul as part of pill mills. One D.O. is open until 9:00 p.m. two nights per week, and there will be 20-30 people in the waiting room waiting for their 2 minutes with the doctor--$150 per visit, cash or ATM cards only (no insurance accepted.) One psychiatrist refuses to prescribe more than one medicine--when mental health patients just about always have 2 or more issues that need treating.

And then you have the issue with mental health patients that refuse to get treatment or admit they have a problem. Even if they have a severe mental episode and get taken into the hospital, they're back on the streets in a day or two. Adults cannot be held against their will--even though their judgement is seriously impaired.

And the general nature of those with mental problems is to self medicate. They will turn to alcohol, marijuana, meth and heroin. And those on such drugs have a tendency to do illegal activities like steal and sell drugs. Many are unemployed and homeless after alienating their families and original friends.

We have a 32 year old daughter that's in this category--bipolar and of the borderline personality disorder. She'd rather run around with ex-convicts and drug users crashing on anyone's couch that'll let her stay. Although she has full health insurance, she refuses to go to the doctor as she knows they'll spot her for what she is. And we, the parents, suffer trying to keep living a normal life while raising an 8 year old granddaughter. We finally moved 65 miles to another city to get away from her.
 
Exactly Bamaman. Horrible. What you describe is absolutely true. Lives of the healthy and unhealthy are damaged and destroyed.

So, how do these claims about things like CBD and Silocybin get made without aggressive rigorous scientific study to see if they have merit? I really don’t understand. If true, it’s almost like a cure for cancer or something. It would be huge. Instead, we read an article and nothing seems to ever come of it. Like it’s no big deal.
 
If you read the How to Change Your Mind book I linked to above you will see there was very promising work done in the area of Alcoholism treatment with these drugs back in the 1950s in the US and Canada that were suspended when they were labeled Cat 1.
The OP was asking about Alcoholism treatments with these drugs.

To OP:
Here is a trial request for participants:
https://maps.org/other-psychedelic-...ybin-assisted-treatment-of-alcohol-dependence

Abstract of a recent study:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0269881114565144?journalCode=jopa

More recent studies that reference the 59's studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4592297/
Exactly Bamaman. Horrible. What you describe is absolutely true. Lives of the healthy and unhealthy are damaged and destroyed.

So, how do these claims about things like CBD and Silocybin get made without aggressive rigorous scientific study to see if they have merit? I really don’t understand. If true, it’s almost like a cure for cancer or something. It would be huge. Instead, we read an article and nothing seems to ever come of it. Like it’s no big deal.
 
Exactly Bamaman. Horrible. What you describe is absolutely true. Lives of the healthy and unhealthy are damaged and destroyed.

So, how do these claims about things like CBD and Silocybin get made without aggressive rigorous scientific study to see if they have merit? I really don’t understand. If true, it’s almost like a cure for cancer or something. It would be huge. Instead, we read an article and nothing seems to ever come of it. Like it’s no big deal.


You could try contacting the John Hopkins doctors or researchers that are discussed in one of the links about receiving a large amount of funding to study hallucinogens. Just because you don't hear more in the news doesn't mean that they are still working on the project. They may, or may not, have info or leads that they can share with you. Even if they have reached some problems or dead-ends with their funding, research, legal red tape, etc. they may still have helpful advice or info to unofficially share with you.

These substances have been used & studied for years by people that have had to fly under the radar because of the current laws. You can access their forums and ask questions from people that have years of practical knowledge & experience. They have lists of research papers & books, many that are available freely in online libraries. There is a vast amount of info discussed within the forums & you can read through past threads in their archives. You can learn about hallucinogens from a perspective there that will never be studied or discussed openly by the medical or research community.

Marijuana & CBD were in the same position for years. Twenty years ago nobody had any idea that cannabis would be legalized in the US. It started in one or two states as "medical marijuana" and slowly moved across the country. The underground community had developed all of the growing, breeding, and extraction technologies years before the laws began to change.
 
I never did any drugs...based on family history I always figured I'd need 'em towards the end of my life.

Biggest problem I've seen remains alcohol...a big part of me leaving the corporate word was a department head who was one of the people who never should have taken that first drink.
 
Exactly Bamaman. Horrible. What you describe is absolutely true. Lives of the healthy and unhealthy are damaged and destroyed.

So, how do these claims about things like CBD and Silocybin get made without aggressive rigorous scientific study to see if they have merit? I really don’t understand. If true, it’s almost like a cure for cancer or something. It would be huge. Instead, we read an article and nothing seems to ever come of it. Like it’s no big deal.

They go under the radar because some folks know they work. Cannabis contains various amounts of CBD, its been used for centuries for medicine.

Right now people are fighting to keep Kratom legal all over the world. It's been used for centuries as medicine. Folks are using it to replace opioids or alcohol. If you ask most "medical experts" today, you will be warned about all the dangers and they'll say it's too dangerous for anyone to use. Ask a recovering opioid addict, who is clean of opioids for the first time in their life, they're going to have the best answer.
 
I skimmed the thread but didn't see MDMA mentioned. I just listened to a podcast where the guy interviewed has been trying for decades to get MDMA legalized for treatment of PTSD.


https://peterattiamd.com/rickdoblin/
 
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