Honda Pilot or Hyundai Palisade or Kia Telluride?

[freedomatlast]

Other issues with my daughter's 2016 Tucson (besides the blown engine) include both rear doors (one then the other) wouldn't open with either the outside or inside latch (no the child locks were not on). There is a cable inside the rear door panel that stretches and renders the latches useless. One was fixed by the dealer under warranty, the other by my son in law out of warranty. Dealer wanted $675 to fix the out of warranty one. Son in law fixed it himself with a $23 part. Tons of fun trying to figure out how to get the door open to pull the inside panel off to fix it. Luckily this is a very widespread problem on Hyundais so plenty of you tube videos available to help.

Another problem was the blend door actuator that failed. This is the door that controls whether outside air is introduced into the cabin or whether inside air is recirculated. Caused a super annoying air whistle noise around 65 MPH. Real fun trying to figure out where that noise was coming from. Took us several weeks and many hours to figure that one out. It started while the vehicle was under warranty but the dealer had no clue how to identify where the noise was coming from or how to fix it. We had to pull the cowling off under the hood and under dash pieces off to fix that.

Most of the original bulbs have been replaced already. Certainly don't seem to last very long. Many, many more repairs needed, too many to list right now. Got plenty of bonding time with the son in law fixing all the issues on that fairly new Hyundai.

[TOOLMAN]

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud Honda always seems slow to move forward... I remember when airbags were coming out and they did not offer them on any models... I had sales people tell me that they were still 'too new'... BTW, Honda was one of the companies that had Takata airbags that killed people... it is not always that car company that makes a car bad...

The Takata airbag recall affected 67 million airbags, in 30 different car brands.

Honda is by far the worlds largest engine mfg, producing over 30 million engines per year.

[Texas Proud]

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Originally Posted by corn18 I have owned two vehicles that were rated the worst ever by CR in all categories. Both gave me many trouble free miles.

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Originally Posted by braumeister Yes, good to point out that their ratings can be wrong in both directions. I've also had things I thought were wonderful but rated quite low by CR.

Remember that they are rating the rate of problems, not saying that all the cars will have them...


I had a Chevy 3.4L OHC engine that I have read many times was one of the worst engines ever build by GM... I never had a problem with it over 95,000 miles and traded in on cash for clunkers... I got LUCKY...


But CR had black dots on that car all over the place...

[travelover]

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud Remember that they are rating the rate of problems, not saying that all the cars will have them... I had a Chevy 3.4L OHC engine that I have read many times was one of the worst engines ever build by GM... I never had a problem with it over 95,000 miles and traded in on cash for clunkers... I got LUCKY... But CR had black dots on that car all over the place...

That is kinda the difference between data and anecdotes.

[Montecfo]

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Originally Posted by ArmchairMillionaire23 People claim that the Hyundai/Kia models are prone to theft but it looks like the hubcabs have already been stolen off the Honda in the pic. I will never understand the black wheel trend. Both DW & I think it really cheapens the look of the vehicle. And now people pay extra for it! I'm also amazed by the people who buy all these foreign vehicles. I live on a fairly busy highway in town (~8,000 vehicles per day on average) and if I look out my window for a few minutes here's what I see go by... (not counting tractor-trailers or FedEx / UPS trucks) F150 Ram Silverado Ram Equinox Explorer Sierra Tundra F250 Harley Silverado Malibu Silverado Harley Acadia Edge Silverado Prius Ram Taurus Equinox Equinox Edge Trax F150 Jeep CJ (70s model) Challenger Traverse I rarely see anything by Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Mazda, Audi, Volkswagen, etc... Of course, the only dealerships within 20 miles are two Chevrolet dealerships, a Ford dealership, a Dodge (Stellantis?) dealership and a Toyota dealership which has a very bad reputation for poor customer service. The nearest other Japanese or Korean dealerships are all over 100 miles away. Good luck with your Honda. I've never even sat in one.

You must live in the Midwest.

[corn18]

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Originally Posted by travelover That is kinda the difference between data and anecdotes.

Exactly.

[Qs Laptop]

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Originally Posted by freedomatlast Other issues with my daughter's 2016 Tucson (besides the blown engine)...

"Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?"

[Koolau]

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Originally Posted by Montecfo You must live in the Midwest.

Sounds about right. Always driving Japanese cars, I felt very out of place in megacorp's parking lot. YMMV

[CRLLS]

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Originally Posted by travelover That is kinda the difference between data and anecdotes.

Actually, it is the difference between a single data point and data from hundreds to thousands of cars.

[ncbill]

CR ratings are too short-term for me...daily driver is a 1996 Camry.

[Koolau]

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Originally Posted by ncbill CR ratings are too short-term for me...daily driver is a 1996 Camry.

Yeah, I've "faulted" them for the same thing on occasion. Most of the cars I've been interested in purchasing used, I had to go to the library and hope they had old copies of the CR big book to see what the repair history has been. My last car was a 2012. My other car is 2000. Not much data available on them but YMMV.

[travelover]

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Originally Posted by ncbill CR ratings are too short-term for me...daily driver is a 1996 Camry.

You should check Hemmings Motor News instead of Consumer Reports.

[Texas Proud]

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Originally Posted by travelover That is kinda the difference between data and anecdotes.

But that is my point.... YOU might not have any problems (anecdote) but the car is still a POS (data)....


What you need to do is look at the data and see what the rate of failure is... it could be 10%... or it could be 80%... that makes a big difference in your decision (well, it does for me at least)...

[Koolau]

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Originally Posted by travelover You should check Hemmings Motor News instead of Consumer Reports.

Where do you find the relative repair experience? I checked the site and couldn't find it though I have no experience with it. Thanks.

[Koolau]

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud But that is my point.... YOU might not have any problems (anecdote) but the car is still a POS (data).... What you need to do is look at the data and see what the rate of failure is... it could be 10%... or it could be 80%... that makes a big difference in your decision (well, it does for me at least)...

I actually like the way CR lays out their repair experience: Each model/year has relative repair (compared to all other cars). At a glance, one can tell whether the car of interest is better, much better, worse, much worse, etc. than other cars in about 15 categories (brakes to electronics, etc.)

Between the family business and personally, we had (over the years) 5 Chrysler vans (from plymouth to dodge to chrysler). The "box" was perfect for our needs but we had lots of "issues" with repairs - especially transmissions. Guess what! Every model/year we had got horrible experience reviews in CR. Generally, the engines were great as were many other items. So, we just figured buying one of these vehicles would mean $2500 transmission repair around 65000 miles. On that basis, it was still a good deal vs, say, a Honda or Toyota (strictly on cost per mile.) YMMV

[freedomatlast]

And now Hyundai and Kia bring you the latest......the risk of fires!

It's ok though, Consumer Reports says they're fine.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/23/busin...all/index.html

[freedomatlast]

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Originally Posted by Koolau So, we just figured buying one of these vehicles would mean $2500 transmission repair around 65000 miles. On that basis, it was still a good deal vs, say, a Honda or Toyota (strictly on cost per mile.) YMMV

I guess that's one way to look at it as long as the breakdown doesn't happen catastrophically, hundreds of miles away from home along an interstate or isolated back road late at night in bad weather.

[travelover]

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Originally Posted by Koolau Where do you find the relative repair experience? I checked the site and couldn't find it though I have no experience with it. Thanks.

I was kidding. Hemmings is devoted to antique cars.

[Koolau]

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Originally Posted by travelover I was kidding. Hemmings is devoted to antique cars.

Very funny

[Koolau]

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Originally Posted by freedomatlast I guess that's one way to look at it as long as the breakdown doesn't happen catastrophically, hundreds of miles away from home along an interstate or isolated back road late at night in bad weather.

Yeah, we always had a fair amount of warning that the transmission was on its way out. It would stop shifting properly or start making ominous noises. Our mechanic always knew how to fix them quickly. He'd ask why we kept buying them and we always said because they met our needs at a good price (repairs included.) I certainly don't recommend them but they filled the need we had. YMMV