Amethyst
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I wonder - would some photos of the Frog and the entrance to it be helpful?
His attitude about sizing doesn't seem terribly professional, does it? Then again, it's possible he did not bother to analyze and size the system, b/c the previous owner just directed him to "replace what's there."
Oh, my. That heat load calculator asks for a lot of info that we can't lay our hands on. Especially insulation - except for the attic, which has about 16-18" of loose insulation, there's no telling what's in the walls, floors, ceilings. Even the garage under the Frog is drywalled.
>>Any time we've stayed in a motel, the unit has been very noisy indeed. Trying to avoid that! The contractors claimed they have mini-splits in their own homes and that they are very quiet. But I haven't been in their homes, so how do I judge?
I know this is true for typical AC systems, but NW seems to feel that the mini splits are variable speed, so the issue of over sizing might not be so critical. In that case I'd go for 12,000 btu.This attitude is very typical. They'll just use a rule of thumb, maybe based on little more than the SF of the floor. Typically, the result is units that are too big for the requirement (additional capacity doesn't cost them very much--a 3 ton unit and a 4 ton unit may only be a few hundred dollars different), and reduces the chances of a callback. Oversize units keep the spaces cool enough, but don't remove sufficient moisture--it's easier to tell the client that all is well if the house is just constantly clammy, you can't tell them that things are fine if the temperature won't get down to the set point...........
Yes, I agree, if the compressor itself is variable speed. In that case, a large unit would be fine (it would cool the space more quickly when you started using the FROG and the set point was well below the temp in the room). Also, if it is a heat pump it is possible that a larger capacity is driven by heating rather than cooling requirements.I know this is true for typical AC systems, but NW seems to feel that the mini splits are variable speed, so the issue of over sizing might not be so critical. In that case I'd go for 12,000 btu.
I know this is true for typical AC systems, but NW seems to feel that the mini splits are variable speed, so the issue of over sizing might not be so critical. In that case I'd go for 12,000 btu.
I still think the installation labor quote was excessive.
Yes, I agree, if the compressor itself is variable speed. In that case, a large unit would be fine (it would cool the space more quickly when you started using the FROG and the set point was well below the temp in the room). Also, if it is a heat pump it is possible that a larger capacity is driven by heating rather than cooling requirements.
I am enjoying one right now, and have been monitoring its operation.
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PS. Because I did the installation myself and did not ask for any quote, I do not know what the normal charge is. In my case, it involves quite a bit of work to run the 33-ft refrigerant lines through the attic.
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I have observed the power drawn of this 18,000 BTU/hr unit being the max at 1.4 kW in midday to 300W in the morning. No "bang-bang control". It's just beautiful.
When it gets cooler in a couple of months, I expect to see the outdoor fan and compressor completely stop in the morning, while the indoor fan runs at a very low speed to circulate the air. ...
Not only the least expense upfront but also when repair is needed you can buy another for the price of a service call. The smallest units should do the job on such a small space and cost around $200 for a better brand.I can tell that I'm not in the same league as you all! I'd probably just buy a window air conditioner and leave it at that.
I admit that the rest of my house does have central AC. But this is just one room that isn't intended to be used a whole lot from what I am reading between the lines.
Not only the least expense upfront but also when repair is needed you can buy another for the price of a service call. The smallest units should do the job on such a small space and cost around $200 for a better brand.
Since I haven't seen this mentioned, here is one other thing to keep in mind. If you go the route of closing off the existing supply and return ducts, you will want to make sure that the existing AC will still operate correctly. When the indoor coil doesn't have enough air moving over it, it can ice over at which point bad things start happening. So if you have a contractor put in a mini split and close off the existing ducts, get it in writing from them that they'll guarantee there won't be issues with the existing coil icing over.
Ask me how I know, I have two townhomes built in 2015 that I'm in the middle of spending $2k each to add more ductwork as the original contractor didn't put enough in. Thus, both places start having issues on days when the tenants are running the AC quite a bit (but not trying to get to any kind of unusual temperate setting, just the hot days of summer)
Check out a split system. We have one in our office and it's great. It wasn't that expensive either.
Oh, my. That heat load calculator asks for a lot of info that we can't lay our hands on. Especially insulation - except for the attic, which has about 16-18" of loose insulation, there's no telling what's in the walls, floors, ceilings. Even the garage under the Frog is drywalled.