If Obama Weren't Black

[FIREd]

On a public radio show the other night, a guest was saying that if Obama were white, that he would already have easily won the nomination. What do you think?

No one can know for sure... And don't forget that TV pundits think that he won big in the south because being black actually gave him an edge in states with large African American populations like SC, GA and AL... So who knows?

 

[FinanceDude]

Almost no political experience. No experience running ANYTHING.

He talks a lot about "vision", yet never fleshes out the "vision", are we going to get to hear about that?

"I have a plan" is worn out........."I have a dream" was groundbreaking...........

 

[FinanceDude]

Nah, he is just a conservative Republican who is unhappy that he has no natural candidate in the upcoming Presidential election.

Neither do you...........you have Billary and a guy that's only been in the Senate TWO years and has no foreign policy experience..........

 

[brewer12345]

Neither do you...........you have Billary and a guy that's only been in the Senate TWO years and has no foreign policy experience..........

I'm no Hillary fan. My choice didn't make it far enough in the primary for me to even vote for him, but hopefully he will be a VP candidate. But any of the three remaining candidates is better than the current clown, and I'd take either democrat over McCain. And I actually like Obama pretty welll. Seems to have common sense ideas and his election would definatleyy come with a mandate for cahnge (although possibly just for change's sake).

 

[Marquette]

He talks a lot about "vision", yet never fleshes out the "vision", are we going to get to hear about that?

"I have a plan" is worn out........."I have a dream" was groundbreaking...........

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues

You know, it really is all sort of pointless... "I'm going to do x, y, and z". Well, the best the president can do is ask someone in the Senate to draft a bill about x, y, or z and then not veto it if it looks even remotely like what he asked for.

I guess executive orders have been getting pretty darn powerful, but I don't think you could create an executive order on health care or whatnot.

I've decided to vote based on who looks best in a mini-skirt and Obama has my vote!

 

[FinanceDude]

I'm no Hillary fan. My choice didn't make it far enough in the primary for me to even vote for him, but hopefully he will be a VP candidate. But any of the three remaining candidates is better than the current clown, and I'd take either democrat over McCain. And I actually like Obama pretty welll. Seems to have common sense ideas and his election would definatleyy come with a mandate for cahnge (although possibly just for change's sake).

I'll give Obama props, he communicates well and seems to have some charisma about him. Plus, he's a LOT younger than Billary or McCain, so maybe he'll at least try to tackle some issues that are weighing on folks his age............

However, he is not in the same league as the other two in experience.......maybe that's not a bad thing, after all,how much experience did JFK have before he got elected??

 

[CuppaJoe]

Since no one uses the word, mulatto, I'm wondering if it is now considered racist? I find it impossible to think of him (Barry Obama) as black even though I'm reading his autobiography and as a child and young adult he clearly associated with blacks, oops, I'm mean African Americans, and identifies himself as black. His white, oops, I mean European-American ancestors clearly had a great influence on him, and so on. When, oh, when can we drop such designations?

 

[ChrisC]

If Obama weren't black he would never even have become a national candidate.

Almost no political experience. No experience running ANYTHING.

That also describes Abraham Lincoln, except that Obama did become a Senator from Illinois.

Seriously, Obama is probably the brightest candidate still standing. It does speak volumes in my profession if one has graduated from Harvard Law School and was the President of the Harvard Law Review.

 

[clifp]

That also describes Abraham Lincoln, except that Obama did become a Senator from Illinois.

Seriously, Obama is probably the brightest candidate still standing. It does speak volumes in my profession if one has graduated from Harvard Law School and was the President of the Harvard Law Review.

Interesting point, but Abraham Lincoln ran against Steven Douglas one of the finest orators of his day with lots of political experience. Obama ran against carpet bagging Alan Keyes, who I have long said is the most articulate nut case around.

Harvard (along with Yale and Stanford) law reviews produce one president a year. Can't argue that Obama is bright and inspiring orator.

 

[mickeyd]

 

[ChrisC]

Interesting point, but Abraham Lincoln ran against Steven Douglas one of the finest orators of his day with lots of political experience. Obama ran against carpet bagging Alan Keyes, who I have long said is the most articulate nut case around.

My point is that Lincoln's experience in the Illinois state legislature was comparable to Obama's experience there, and the only national office Lincoln held before becoming President was as a one term Congressman.

 

[clifp]

Lincoln also had military experience, he was elected the captain of his Illinois militia company . I am just kidding with you, but I know we are going see lots of comparison between Obama and Lincoln, it is historically a much better parallel than Obama/JFK.

The other eerie similarity is that Lincoln was nominated after a brokered convention. History rhymes.

 

[haha]

Since no one uses the word, mulatto, I'm wondering if it is now considered racist?

It is racist in USA, along with whatever other word the keepers of purity declare is racist. However, my Cuban friends and acquaintences call themselves mulattos, and anthropologists in Latin America, as well as Latinos themselves distinguish between mestizos, who are mixed Amerindian and European, and mulattos, who are mixed African and European.

Ha

 

[dex]

It is racist in USA, along with whatever other word the keepers of purity declare is racist. However, my Cuban friends and acquaintences call themselves mulattos, and anthropologists in Latin America, as well as Latinos themselves distinguish between mestizos, who are mixed Amerindian and European, and mulattos, who are mixed African and European.

Ha

I had to look that word up. I never thought it racist - is it?

Main Entry:mu·lat·to Pronunciation: \mə-ˈla-(ˌ)tō, mu̇-, myu̇-, -ˈlä-\ Function:noun Inflected Form(s):plural mu·lat·toes or mu·lat·tosEtymology:Spanish mulato, from mulo mule, from Latin mulusDate:1593 1 : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2 : a person of mixed white and black ancestry

 

[CuppaJoe]

I had to look that word up. I never thought it racist - is it?

Main Entry:mu·lat·to Pronunciation: \mə-ˈla-(ˌ)tō, mu̇-, myu̇-, -ˈlä-\ Function:noun Inflected Form(s):plural mu·lat·toes or mu·lat·tosEtymology:Spanish mulato, from mulo mule, from Latin mulusDate:1593 1 : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2 : a person of mixed white and black ancestry

When I asked if it is racist, that was an attempt at subtlety. My real point was when will we stop defining people by the color of their skin?
O0

 

[dex]

When I asked if it is racist, that was an attempt at subtlety. My real point was when will we stop defining people by the color of their skin?
O0

I don't think everyone does it and the number that do in the USA is shrinking.

I have an idea - politicians are only allowed to appear and advertise on radio

 

[ChrisC]

It is racist in USA, along with whatever other word the keepers of purity declare is racist. However, my Cuban friends and acquaintences call themselves mulattos, and anthropologists in Latin America, as well as Latinos themselves distinguish between mestizos, who are mixed Amerindian and European, and mulattos, who are mixed African and European.

Ha

This is news to me as my family proudly embraced its Creole heritage on one side, and Mestizo heritage on the other side. Don't know of any keepers of racial purity, except some fools who think that there are biological races. I think it's pretty obvious that most of us are mixed with a little of this, little of that. However, my parents and I did follow the "one-drop rule," as a social concept. One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. And so do my children.

 

[Gumby]

I'll give Obama props, he communicates well and seems to have some charisma about him. Plus, he's a LOT younger than Billary or McCain, so maybe he'll at least try to tackle some issues that are weighing on folks his age............

However, he is not in the same league as the other two in experience.......maybe that's not a bad thing, after all,how much experience did JFK have before he got elected??

I just don't understand the whole "lacks experience" thing. If you look at legislative experience, Obama actually has more than Clinton if you count his service as a state senator in Illinois. Neither one has executive experience (nor does McCain). And don't tell me about Hilary's time in the White House; I have been married to a school teacher for 24 years, but that would hardly qualify me as an experienced educator.

 

[youbet]

I just don't understand the whole "lacks experience" thing.

Maybe I can help......

Hillary lacks experience. Billary has experience.

 

[dex]

I just don't understand the whole "lacks experience" thing. If you look at legislative experience, Obama actually has more than Clinton if you count his service as a state senator in Illinois. Neither one has executive experience (nor does McCain). And don't tell me about Hilary's time in the White House; I have been married to a school teacher for 24 years, but that would hardly qualify me as an experienced educator.

I think you are where I am - none of them have adequate qualification to be President of the USA.

Maybe we need to do something like what the Roman Empire did - split up the President of the USA responsibilities.
International
Financial/Administrative
Domestic

 

[haha]

This is news to me as my family proudly embraced its Creole heritage on one side, and Mestizo heritage on the other side. Don't know of any keepers of racial purity, except some fools who think that there are biological races. I think it's pretty obvious that most of us are mixed with a little of this, little of that. However, my parents and I did follow the "one-drop rule," as a social concept. One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. And so do my children.

Perhaps you didn't read the Wiki on the one drop rule? The one drop rule is the quintessential racial purity guideline from slaveholding and segregationist US southern society. Possibly the only similarly racist idea in recent history is German National Socialism.

Ha

 

[saluki9]

Hillery....
Shouldn't you be out campaigning rather than posting here?

I have a thick skin, but there are some insults I simply will not tolerate

 

[ChrisC]

Perhaps you didn't read the Wiki on the one drop rule? The one drop rule is the quintessential racial purity guideline from slaveholding and segregationist US southern society. Possibly the only similarly racist idea in recent history is German National Socialism.

Ha

Yes, I read it and always read what I reference. You should read the view that many blacks have of the one drop rule, as expressed by sociologist Orlando Patterson; it's there also in Wiki.

 

[saluki9]

Nah, he is just a conservative Republican who is unhappy that he has no natural candidate in the upcoming Presidential election.

It has nothing to do with party affiliation.

I could give you a list of 20 democratic senators, govenors etc who I think would be great leaders. Obama isn't one of them.

 

[retire@40]

It has nothing to do with party affiliation.

I could give you a list of 20 democratic senators, govenors etc who I think would be great leaders. Obama isn't one of them.

Sure, but can they give you "change you can believe in?"

Plus, does Oprah like them?