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Nords said:Hmmm... how 'bout this... didn't Gore lie under oath about an abortion?
Here we go again. Incoming!
Nords said:Hmmm... how 'bout this... didn't Gore lie under oath about an abortion?
shiny said:No, I don't appreciate being called an "enviro-wacko" but its better than being just plain wacko.
Martha - go back and read what I posted. I never called today's scientists 'enviro-moonbats'. I called the folks who were calling for a new ice age in the 70's that. .... and since the ice age never appeared and since the exact opposite has occurred, I believe my characterization to be jarring but accurate.Martha said:Alex, as I said before, this type of language does not inform, it inflames. I would hardly call the many respected scientist that conclude human activity has contributed to global warming a bunch of "enviro-moonbats."
What are your bona fides?
Alex said:Martha - go back and read what I posted. I never called today's scientists 'enviro-moonbats'. I called the folks who were calling for a new ice age in the 70's that. .... and since the ice age never appeared and the exact opposite has occurred, I believe my characterization to be jarring but accurate.
Alex said:Martha - go back and read what I posted. I never called today's scientists 'enviro-moonbats'. I called the folks who were calling for a new ice age in the 70's that. .... and since the ice age never appeared and since the exact opposite has occurred, I beleive my characterization to be jarring but accurate.
Martha, I am sorry to correct you again, but with all due respect, I never advised anyone not to take any action! In fact, I suggested quite the opposite. I said that if someone truly believes that human activities are causing GW, that they should focus on what they can do as individuals. I encouraged them to 'walk the walk'. Yes, I did say that they should 'leave me alone', but that is just my personal preference. When it comes to environmentalists, Multilevel Marketing orgs, and religious groups, I take the attitue of "Don't call me, I'll call you".Martha said:It's the "jarring but accurate" part. Right after describing envio-moonbats you say the greens have an agenda concerning global warming. The clear impression you created is that anyone who believes the vast majority of scientists who maintain humans have effected climate change is nuts or has some sort of hidden agenda. OK, so the scientists are not the enviro-moonbats but those who tend to respect their conclusions are?
Why are you inclined to take the risk and advise we not change behavior when if you are wrong the results are devastating?
that's really, um, funny yeah thats the word, funny. Funny, in a 'fat people smell' kinda way even more so, since I am liberal....Cute Fuzzy Bunny said:Because that would require admitting that a point brought up by someone called "a liberal" could be plausible.
Yellow dogs. Barking at the moooooon...
Alex said:Also, do you not agree that, generally speaking, 'greens' have a political agenda? I find that, almost without exception, these 'greens' border on the "hyperpolitical!" Look at groups like PETA, GREENPEACE, NRDC, etc...If these groups didn't have political agendas why do they all have lobbying arms and political action committees?
... based on your snappy retort alone, you are clearly superior to me in every way imaginable. :Cute Fuzzy Bunny said:So what you're saying is that you dont like yourself, and you enjoy giving avocados?
Your points are well taken and clearly well thought out. I appreciate your thoughfulness and candor. This subject is very , well, heated!Rich_in_Tampa said:Alex, I take Martha's post to mean that it may be dangerous to presumptively label sincere scientists who are trying to warn us about GW as belonging to a specific political group with all kinds of seconary agendas. In doing that, we may miss the message entirely.
I believe you are right about the fringe elements out there who self-describe as "green." But I also believe there are tons of credible, nonpolitical scientists and others who are smart, sincere, and have no unspoken agendas. I want to hear them loud and clear, and the mounting suggestive evidence tells me we had better be careful . A political or policy solution, within reason, may be the only way to effect sufficient change - having a few people "walk the walk" may not be enough.
It doesn't sound like you are sticking your head in the sand about this, but there are some who do so based on their perception of the politics of the messengers. Human nature, I guess, but it may not be the best solution in this matter. This may be big in a few decades; very big.
We might be able to slow down our effects on the climate, but we will not be able to stop any changes. Is it worth it to spend trillions of dollars to stop an issue we have no hopes of controlling?
Cut-Throat said:I remember all of the lame arguments in the 1960's and 1970's against cleaning up the environment. Very similiar to the ones here. 'Impossible' to do, 'will cost trillions', 'not worth it', 'the air will always be polluted', 'the water's not that dirty'. 'it will hurt business'
Aren't you glad we didn't listen to the naysayers back then? You have cleaner water to drink, cleaner air to breath.
The Bald Eagle thanks us for banning DDT. Yup, just a bunch of 'Envir-Wackos' saving your ass in spite of yourselves.
Alex said:... based on your snappy retort alone, you are clearly superior to me in every way imaginable. :
Whoa.Cute Fuzzy Bunny said:Nah, you're a bigger butthead than I am. I concede the point.
I'm still packing and watching the dryer spin.Cute Fuzzy Bunny said:Werent you going on vacation?
I wouldn't worry about it:Cute Fuzzy Bunny said:I'll need the break to widen the post count gap. You're getting positively Galtish lately