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09-26-2017, 08:55 PM
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Since PR doesn't pay Federal Taxes, why should they expect Federal $$ to rebuild? I'd rather see Texas and Florida be ahead of the line for relief since they at least have paid into the FEMA system.
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09-26-2017, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dtbach
Since PR doesn't pay Federal Taxes, why should they expect Federal $$ to rebuild? I'd rather see Texas and Florida be ahead of the line for relief since they at least have paid into the FEMA system.
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They pay some taxes. Not federal income tax but they do pay SS tax and a form of income tax to the PR government.
They really should become a state though. They keep voting no (or at least not overwhelmingly yes). I agree it is hard to get behind full support over true states when they don't *really* want to be a full part of the USA. The last vote was really close though.
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09-26-2017, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fermion
They really should become a state though. They keep voting no (or at least not overwhelmingly yes). I agree it is hard to get behind full support over true states when they don't *really* want to be a full part of the USA. The last vote was really close though.
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If they become a state, where am I going to go when I win a big lottery prize?
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The Powerball jackpot is at $1.5 billion and rising, easily ballooning to the biggest lottery prize of all time—which actually raises the value of a single ticket. But unless the winner is Puerto Rican (no federal income taxes or territorial tax on gambling winnings), he is also likely to have to pay taxes of equally historical significance.
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09-26-2017, 10:15 PM
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More Americans live in PR than in over 20 states.
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09-26-2017, 10:26 PM
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One potential reason is that many of the Caribbean islands were colonies that in the past were more exploited, and slavery did exist there, so the locals and imported slaves did not control their own destiny for a while. Whereas Hawaii, being much more isolated, had a much longer history of independence, and any battles over it were more due to its strategic location.
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PR has had about 150 years to get on with it, controlling their destiny, seems long enough to have turned the country into an industrial power.
Maybe in many ways living in paradise is a strong dis-incentive to really try hard ?
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09-27-2017, 12:02 AM
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The administration won't even waive the damned Nones Act. Amazing.
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And yet, the Jones Act was waived after Harvey and after Irma.
From the Washington Post, 9/25/17:
"DHS waived Jones Act restrictions during Harvey and Irma in order to move oil more quickly to the East Coast and make up for the loss of pipelines. New York Rep Nydia Velazquez has asked for a Jones Act waiver for Maria."
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09-27-2017, 05:24 AM
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And yet, the Jones Act was waived after Harvey and after Irma.
From the Washington Post, 9/25/17:
"DHS waived Jones Act restrictions during Harvey and Irma in order to move oil more quickly to the East Coast and make up for the loss of pipelines. New York Rep Nydia Velazquez has asked for a Jones Act waiver for Maria."
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Those are US States. PR is not a state. I suspect that the Jones Act will indeed be waived.
PR already gets a tremendous amount of money from the Federal Government, much more on a per-capita basis than any other US state. There is a huge problem with PR finances.
If you had a brother in law with the PR mentality, you would not give him money either. 
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09-27-2017, 06:54 AM
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DHS has denied the request to waive the Jones Act for PR. Congress asks, DHS decides:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1C12UI
And I don't care about taxes, or who pays what. ICU's in hospitals have no power and citizens are dying.
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09-27-2017, 07:05 AM
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Maybe even with the Jones act waived, it would make no difference. From the article you posted, it seems that PR has other issues that maybe should have been addressed earlier.
In catastrophes, everyone wants help, but sometimes the help does not make a difference. I suspect that is the case with waiving, or not waiving, the Jones Act.
PR is getting plenty of money. They will be fine.
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09-27-2017, 07:14 AM
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Maybe even with the Jones act waived, it would make no difference.
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Exactly. The Jones act is basically being used as a political football.
Lack of US flag ships isn't a problem, rather, the PR port capacity is. And beyond that, getting the already existing aid that has been offloaded out into the countryside is an even bigger problem since their road infrastructure is in such bad shape.
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09-27-2017, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mpeirce
Exactly. The Jones act is basically being used as a political football.
Lack of US flag ships isn't a problem, rather, the PR port capacity is. And beyond that, getting the already existing aid that has been offloaded out into the countryside is an even bigger problem since their road infrastructure is in such bad shape.
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To boot much stuff moves between the mainland and PR on seagoing barges, not ships, which means that there may not be the relative numbers of US and foreign vessels that exist for regular ships.
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09-27-2017, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Fermion
They really should become a state though. They keep voting no (or at least not overwhelmingly yes). I agree it is hard to get behind full support over true states when they don't *really* want to be a full part of the USA. The last vote was really close though.
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I really feel for the folks in PR, but I don't think the US should be looking to add any territories as new states. Don't we already have enough internal problems here in the US to deal with!
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09-27-2017, 08:00 AM
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09-27-2017, 08:54 AM
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Quote:
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Exactly. The Jones act is basically being used as a political football.
Lack of US flag ships isn't a problem, rather, the PR port capacity is. And beyond that, getting the already existing aid that has been offloaded out into the countryside is an even bigger problem since their road infrastructure is in such bad shape.
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Jones Act tonnage costs multiples of what market rate is. Is it really the right time to inflict those increased costs on an impoverished and desperate population? Think gouging for water and gasoline after Harvey hit. Same thing.
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09-27-2017, 11:58 AM
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