Resistance to hard work - vent - question

[FUEGO]

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Originally Posted by GravitySucks And a site where millionaires constantly discuss ACA assistance schemes also complain about food stamps and rental assistance programs.

Now let's be fair. Some members complain equally about ACA subsidies alongside the food stamps and rental assistance.

And many of those same ACA complainers have the benefit of government provided healthcare via medicare or government retiree medical benefits The irony is thick.

[REWahoo]

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Originally Posted by FUEGO The irony is thick.

Cast irony?

[MichaelB]

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Originally Posted by REWahoo Cast irony?

<rimshot>

[Mdlerth]

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Originally Posted by FUEGO Now let's be fair. Some members complain equally about ACA subsidies alongside the food stamps and rental assistance. And many of those same ACA complainers have the benefit of government provided healthcare via medicare or government retiree medical benefits The irony is thick.

Maybe not quite as thick if one admits that said complainer may only be getting benefits he's already paid for.

To become a government retiree required w*rking for the government for a long time. If a medicare recipient had FICM taxes withheld for thirty or forty years, he's hardly getting a freebie.

It isn't necessarily true that the beneficiary of food stamps and rental assistance was required to contribute anything.

[Meadbh]

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Originally Posted by Gumby I am wryly amused by rants about others not working hard on a forum devoted to the prospect of not working at all.

+1000

[Clone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKGjOE_7bYI

[Mdlerth]

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Originally Posted by Clone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKGjOE_7bYI

+1^6

[timo2]

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Originally Posted by Mdlerth It isn't necessarily true that the beneficiary of food stamps and rental assistance was required to contribute anything.

In effect, these people are sacrificing quality of life so the rest of us can have more affordable products. So they are contributing that.

If a country wants to have inexpensive labor, it has to provide some assistance. People with little food and unsafe housing make for poor employees.

[Senator]

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Originally Posted by calmloki I rent inexpensive housing and have for decades. Was renting 53 units at the top. I have yet to rent to the mythical Lexus driving welfare recipient. They just don't seem to be among the applicants for our places. I have never felt any jealousy for the lives of my tenants.

I am sure you have seen Section 8 tenants sleeping until noon, partying late and having the best TV screen they could find. Plenty of money for smokes and drink.

Most of my Section 8 tenants never had a job, nor were they required to. And if they did, I remember one said "The boss wanted me to clean the toilets, I am not doing that". I guess they should hire someone...

[Senator]

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Originally Posted by Maenad I have found no method to turn a slacker into a hard worker if they don't want to. I have had to work with a couple of those slackers when they've been forced to get a job for one reason or another, and it's torture. I'd honestly rather have my taxes go to support them - then I don't actually have to interact with them on a daily basis.

I had a boss that used to say "If you want to find the easiest way to do a job, hire a lazy person. They will figure out the easiest way to do the task."

[timo2]

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Originally Posted by Senator I had a boss that used to say "If you want to find the easiest way to do a job, hire a lazy person. They will figure out the easiest way to do the task."

That actually is a thing. My favorite Project Management book was 'The lazy Project Manger' "Why The Jungle Book's 'Bare Necessities' should be the productive lazy theme tune; * How to get the maximum output for a minimised input; *" https://www.amazon.com/lazy-project-.../dp/1908984554

[travelover]

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Originally Posted by timo2 In effect, these people are sacrificing quality of life so the rest of us can have more affordable products. So they are contributing that. If a country wants to have inexpensive labor, it has to provide some assistance. People with little food and unsafe housing make for poor employees.

Good point. A lot of these folks probably gave up good jobs as doctors, lawyers, engineers and even CEOs to toil at Walmart, for our benefit.

[GravitySucks]

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Originally Posted by Senator I had a boss that used to say "If you want to find the easiest way to do a job, hire a lazy person. They will figure out the easiest way to do the task."

On a lighter note:

I was the laziest employee in my group, but also got the most projects completed on time. Got many complaints that I put my feet up on the desk relaxing during conference calls.
I had a coworker complain to my boss that I was lazy as I wrote scripts to automate the time consuming low intelligence part of The job. He had to work twice as hard as me because he didn't have time to automate his work.
(I offered to share the scripts but he would have had to build tables of his equipment. Would have been an hours work to reduce four hours a week. Thought since he was working so hard I should build the tables too. He was the first RIF victim in the group.)

[timo2]

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Originally Posted by travelover Good point. A lot of these folks probably gave up good jobs as doctors, lawyers, engineers and even CEOs to toil at Walmart, for our benefit.

[calmloki]

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Originally Posted by Senator I am sure you have seen Section 8 tenants sleeping until noon, partying late and having the best TV screen they could find. Plenty of money for smokes and drink. Most of my Section 8 tenants never had a job, nor were they required to. And if they did, I remember one said "The boss wanted me to clean the toilets, I am not doing that". I guess they should hire someone...

Sometimes our Section 8 tenants sleep late, sometimes not. Sometimes they party, though way less than our normal, better funded tenants. Some smoke, some drink, and they all try and have the best tv or whatever else they can find. Much like anyone else. Shocking! You've described people!

Not saying that there aren't Section 8 tenants who try and game the system and not saying it doesn't piss me off when I see it, but that is very human. I take advantage of credit card offers and then drop the cards rather than becoming a lucrative customer; people here play all sorts of games to their personal advantage with social security and health care.

I try and keep our Section 8 population low - only have 3 right now - mostly because I don't like hopping through the government hoops and also because I find being around poor people depressing. Maybe choices they made weren't optimal; maybe life dealt them a tough hand - the woman who for about 10 years lived with and cared for her invalid mother in our apartments till her Mom's death, leaving her with few skills and in her early 60s.

I don't envy the lives of poor tenants, nor do I begrudge them their efforts to sustain themselves - and as far as I can tell, being on assistance is a horrible job.