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Old 07-25-2022, 06:30 PM   #21
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That has bothered a lot of people. I recently read a story about a guy in Poland who came up with a rather elaborate hack to get CarPlay in his Tesla.

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/27...y-tesla-model/
No big deal. My phone is connected via Bluetooth and I play music and podcasts from it all the time while driving. I have quite a bit of control of the phone from the Tesla UI. Music/podcasts, phone calls, messages/texts all go through the Tesla audio/video system. Navigation is built into Tesla and takes into account charging needs and automatically routes through charging stops as needed. The Tesla navigation is excellent, map and route super visible on that big display, and handles routing through multiple stops, something that Apple Maps still can’t handle. So basically CarPlay would be redundant and not sufficient for navigation.
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Old 07-25-2022, 06:54 PM   #22
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Toyota has had paid subscriptions for all of their new vehicles for a number of years now, they kick in after ~1-3 years depending on the function. Nothing critical that will brick the car, if you have built in Navigation you'll lose map updates, lose the ability for remote start, destination assist, safety connect, etc. I didn't renew any of them when they expired on my Toyota.
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I've wondered about this, and was part of the inquisition I was giving my buddy who took delivery of his Model Y a couple months ago.

Because the vehicle is so tied in and connected to Tesla, I was very inquisitive if the car "required" connectivity to operate? If you wanted to disconnect from Tesla and not have any connectivity to the company, aside from possibly firmware updates, could you do it? I was extremely paranoid of the vehicle being so intertwined with the company, feeding all of its data and how that effects privacy now and in the future. Do I want Tesla to have the ability to know where I am all the time and my driving habits? Have the ability to hand that data over to my insurance company if they simply pay for it? So I'm going to pay Tesla to take all that data from me, and then it's available for sale? Count me out.

Now, clearly with this 8 year drop dead date, it will certainly decrease resale value further as any buyer will need to account for future subscription costs.

It's now given me yet another reason not to go to EV...especially if it's becoming standard across the industry.
us as well. we weren't interested in an EV to begin with...range, time needed to re-charge, cost of the EV and installing charging equip. at home...but this just puts a lock on it. we'll stay with our '03 and '10 jeeps.
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Can I ask why you picked such a biased headline? I read the article and it says anyone that bought a Tesla before July 1 has lifetime free
connectivity. Anyone buying after that date will have will have 8 years. I don't see a reason for your outrage..it was pretty transparent information
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So in reading the article in the OP.... I have a question. Do existing, legacy, early adopter tesla owners have to start paying in 8 years? The wording was a bit ambiguous - does this only apply to new buyers (post July 20) or all tesla owners after july 20, 2030?

The article also suggested Tesla would probably start charger sooner than the 8 years....

After years of having Tesla envy... This whole subscription thing has ended that. When I go EV it will be with another manufacturer.
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So in reading the article in the OP.... I have a question. Do existing, legacy, early adopter tesla owners have to start paying in 8 years? The wording was a bit ambiguous - does this only apply to new buyers (post July 20) or all tesla owners after july 20, 2030?

The article also suggested Tesla would probably start charger sooner than the 8 years....

After years of having Tesla envy... This whole subscription thing has ended that. When I go EV it will be with another manufacturer.
Lots of anti Tesla snark in that story. Take it with a grain of salt.
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So in reading the article in the OP.... I have a question. Do existing, legacy, early adopter tesla owners have to start paying in 8 years? The wording was a bit ambiguous - does this only apply to new buyers (post July 20) or all tesla owners after july 20, 2030?

The article also suggested Tesla would probably start charger sooner than the 8 years....

After years of having Tesla envy... This whole subscription thing has ended that. When I go EV it will be with another manufacturer.
I think other manufacturers will do the same. I am sure the top dogs at other car companies are salivating at the idea of charging for every little thing the car can do. Publicly they might trash talk Tesla, privately, they are offering their first born to their deity in the hopes Tesla shows that they can get away with it.
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Can I ask why you picked such a biased headline?
That was the way I understood the contents of the article.
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That was the way I understood the contents of the article.
That for cars purchased after July 1 after 8 years of free connectivity tesla will begin to charge those owners a fee.or in late 2030.i find it kind of hard to get too worked up about that.
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That for cars purchased after July 1 after 8 years of free connectivity tesla will begin to charge those owners a fee.or in late 2030.i find it kind of hard to get too worked up about that.
I'm not worked up. I don't own a Tesla and don't have plans to buy one. I posted this for information and discussion. If you are unhappy with the thread, just don't read it.
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So in reading the article in the OP.... I have a question. Do existing, legacy, early adopter tesla owners have to start paying in 8 years? The wording was a bit ambiguous - does this only apply to new buyers (post July 20) or all tesla owners after july 20, 2030?
It only applies to new buyers who ordered cars after July 20 of this year. They will have to start paying in 2030 (after 8 years) for basic connectivity if they still have the car.

And about people who buy software upgrades such as Full Self Driving or Enhanced Autopilot, these software upgrades stay with the car. If the owner sells their Tesla to another individual (private sale), then that person gets the software upgrades.

If an owner sells the car back to Tesla, then it’s at Tesla’s discretion whether or not they pass the software on to a new buyer. The seller is compensated for the software that comes with the car. Tesla decides whether or not they want to sell the software upgrades to the new buyer. I expect it’s reflected in the selling car price.
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.i find it kind of hard to get too worked up about that.
Just curious, why are you trying hard to get too worked up about that? Just stop trying and everything will be OK!
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Old 07-25-2022, 10:18 PM   #33
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Just curious, why are you trying hard to get too worked up about that? Just stop trying and everything will be OK!



I can't work up much Tesla angst...I wonder how many Tesla critics on this thread own Tesla stock..
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And about people who buy software upgrades such as Full Self Driving or Enhanced Autopilot, these software upgrades stay with the car. If the owner sells their Tesla to another individual (private sale), then that person gets the software upgrades.

If an owner sells the car back to Tesla, then it’s at Tesla’s discretion whether or not they pass the software on to a new buyer. The seller is compensated for the software that comes with the car. Tesla decides whether or not they want to sell the software upgrades to the new buyer. I expect it’s reflected in the selling car price.
The above makes sense, if it weren't for a bad error.

I searched for and read again a story on people who bought a used Tesla and found out that they did not get the software option they thought came with the car. It was caused by a terrible error in the car manifest which listed the software option, else the car buyer would not know about it.

Hopefully, the process has been corrected.

See: https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/23/...rom-used-cars/
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This is an example of a company with brilliant engineering that really doesn't know how to run an automobile company.

The whole buying experience simply sucks. That's before and after the purchase--including the way they handle parts & service.

The world has little or no need for a Plaid S that few drivers have the skills to handle. Same with many other Tesla models.
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This is an example of a company with brilliant engineering that really doesn't know how to run an automobile company.

The whole buying experience simply sucks. That's before and after the purchase--including the way they handle parts & service.

The world has little or no need for a Plaid S that few drivers have the skills to handle. Same with many other Tesla models.

Have you had a Tesla? They sell a lot of vehicles but being pretty rural in a cold climate means I don't really know anybody that drives one. They sell a lot of cars.
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I'm glad this is a Tesla issue and not other vehicles. DW was just offered a $100 CD to update the maps on her 2019 Jeep Wrangler.
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This is an example of a company with brilliant engineering that really doesn't know how to run an automobile company.

The whole buying experience simply sucks. That's before and after the purchase--including the way they handle parts & service.

The world has little or no need for a Plaid S that few drivers have the skills to handle. Same with many other Tesla models.

Sorry you’re not happy with your purchase. Most of us are extremely happy with the sales, delivery and driving experience of our cars.
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If you are that cheap, you do not deserve these special cars.
I drive a BMW that is about 7 years old. I bout it used as a lease return with less than 15,000 mile on it about 4 years ago. It cost less than a new Camry at the time, although it was a particulary bad time of year to buy a car. The local dealer calls, texts, and emails me at least once a week to trade in for a new one. They are offering top dollar as a trade in and a good price on a new one.

Now, I love driving the car, I truly do. But BMW clearly makes their money on service. It is ridicululous. I have never owned a less reliable car. Way too many things have broken. Tires last only about 20,000 miles and are only available from the dealer. In the developed world it may be different but in Kona Hawaii the dealer is the only option. Sure I could buy from Tire Rack and find an installer. But guess what. The dealer is the only installer in town. And they charge less for the tires than Tire Rack. It goes on and on.

Bottom line is, I learned my lesson. I will never own another BMW!

I did not buy the car as a status symbol. I bought it because I thought they were very reliable and the price was good. Next one will be a Toyota or Honda.

I'm posting here because it came with something called "Connected Drive." It let you do things like unlock with an app, remote start, turn on the a/c remotely, etc. It was not something I used much. They shut that down earlier this year because it relied on 3G which is being decommissioned. I used to get notices from the dealer to come in for an oil change because they "estimated" I was at the mileage. I've seen nothing since they turned off Connected Drive.

I think the a$$holes were spying on their customers! Honestly I don't really care if BMW knows where I drive or how fast. It's just creepy to think they are collecting this kind of data. Yes, I know lots of companies do it. It's still kind of creepy.
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I'm glad this is a Tesla issue and not other vehicles. DW was just offered a $100 CD to update the maps on her 2019 Jeep Wrangler.
When we moved our Acura to Hawaii a few years ago from Arizona the maps in the navigation system did not cover Hawaii. With one road around the island and Google maps on my phone, who cares. Well, without being able to figure out where it is, MANY things did not work - radio, clock, etc. When I contacted Acura they said that the navigation system has to have contact at least every 300 miles to maintain its position. They suggested driving back to Arizona then driving to Hawaii stopping for an hour every 200 miles. (Seriously?)

Then they said I would have to take it to the Acura dealer on Maui (we live in the Big Island) to be reset. I actually asked the guy if he understood the geography of Hawaii and he said he did not but said the dealer was only 70 miles away. I asked if Acura recommended a raft or driving along the ocean bottom but got no firm answer.

Oh, and they also wanted to sell me a new CD which...you guessed it...only covered the 48 contiguous states.

Finally I called the dealer on Maui and they talked me through a convulted reset procedure and were amused but not surprised by my story. But kudos to that dealer.
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