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Old 12-02-2018, 07:55 AM   #61
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My first Master's degree was also non-STEM.

First, Starting at a community college (I did also) is one way to avoid thousands in debt so seems very right to me. Sounds like you went technical for a second graduate degree. That’s great, me too. It worked out for me. Work paid for much of it.

I think you might be missing the point. I don’t recall you ever complaining about $XXX of student debt and how you couldn’t find a job. Coming from a ‘less than ideal’ family situation and poorer than a church mouse I always felt it was a miracle and I was blessed I was able to get a college education. I graduated with 5 grand of debt in 1977 (20 something thousand in todays dollars). I didn’t complain i just paid it off. What bothers me is you don’t. have to amass a huge pile of debt to go to a great school. Its all about shopping carefully with an endgame in sight.

My son is doing well in physics of all things.. He said maybe “ill get out of computer science and focus on it.” I asked him “well what would you do with a degree in physics?” I said i think you may need a masters to find employment. The point was my 19 year old hadn’t done the homework. He’s learning but still has a way to go.. oh and by the by he’s still a computer science major.

There’s an article in money magazine that list median debt by school - there are some super buys out there. get some great grades in community college and the ‘worlds your oyster’

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There’s an article in money magazine that list median debt by school - there are some super buys out there. get some great grades in community college and the ‘worlds your oyster’

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For anyone looking forward to their child's education, I would recommend the website "Niche" for schools, ratings, scholarships and virtually anything that relates to education. Very much in depth studies for housing and employment, too.

https://www.niche.com/

Go to the site for ratings of your home town too... Just input your zip code. Mine is a B+ and our last home in Lisle, is an A+.
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I got the second Master's in my 50's. Path to FIRE was already set; the degree had no effect one way or the other. I was just following a line of education that appealed to me at that time.

I miss no points. I simply do not share every detail of my life story on line. Some, indeed, would say I share too much as it is.

(Along that vein, I have more insight into what "young people today" are up against, than someone reading my forum posts might think).

As for the community college, well, I had a good time. I was poor; so were most of the other students, so I fit right in. I was 16 when I started. The administration did a double-take at my SAT scores and put me in all advanced classes, where I earned straight A's. I worked on the school paper, had a summer job on campus, and a pretty active social life too.

On the forum, I see a lot of angst about "If my child doesn't shape up, he might have to go to a community college!" as if it will ruin his life....Whereas I know some highly capable GS-15s who didn't attend college at all. They are FIREd now, too.

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Sounds like you went technical for a second graduate degree.

I think you might be missing the point. I don’t recall you ever complaining about $XXX of student debt and how you couldn’t find a job. Coming from a ‘less than ideal’ family situation and poorer than a church mouse I

There’s an article in money magazine that list median debt by school - there are some super buys out there. get some great grades in community college and the ‘worlds your oyster’

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Is there a big reason why he won't be able to realize his dream, or something close to it?

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A classmate of my then 17 year old niece, told her I'm picking that school because they have a sport media/journalism degree and I want to be an anchor for ESPN...good luck with that one buddy...
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What an interesting site! My ZIP got an A+, but a B- for night life (I can't understand why it got higher than a D in that area!)

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For anyone looking forward to their child's education, I would recommend the website "Niche" for schools, ratings, scholarships and virtually anything that relates to education. Very much in depth studies for housing and employment, too.

https://www.niche.com/

Go to the site for ratings of your home town too... Just input your zip code. Mine is a B+ and our last home in Lisle, is an A+.
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Is there a big reason why he won't be able to realize his dream, or something close to it?

Buddy of mine son was a die hard college, then concussion retired hockey player. Got a Sports management degree- Getting a job that pays any real money was very difficult - it is a very tuff row to hoe.
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My neohew changed his major from business to theater and a year after he moved to LA has a role in a CBS TV series next week. He might get no further but he will never wonder what if.
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My neohew changed his major from business to theater and a year after he moved to LA has a role in a CBS TV series next week. He might get no further but he will never wonder what if.
Good for him! Following a dream isn't necessarily a formula for failure.
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My nephew changed his major from business to theater and a year after he moved to LA has a role in a CBS TV series next week. He might get no further but he will never wonder what if.
That last sentence is what one of my nieces said of her degree in Dance from the University of MD, College Park. She wanted to be a Rockette. Never made it, but she did get a job with Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus for several years and traveled the world that way, was an entertainment director on a cruise ship for a while, and a bunch of other oddjob entertainment type gigs over the years. She never did make it to NYC and be a Rockette.

She is now in her mid to late 50's and works as an underemployed and flat broke process server in Las Vegas. If she ever stops working she will subsist on SS and whatever other public benefits she may qualify for.

But she will never wonder "What if". Now she knows.
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Buddy of mine son was a die hard college, then concussion retired hockey player. Got a Sports management degree- Getting a job that pays any real money was very difficult - it is a very tuff row to hoe.
Hmm, call me a skeptic. DD graduated U Delaware with sports management. Interned for 4 months in Melbourne, Australia where she received mutiple job offers and played premier league volleyball. Currently attending Trinity College in Dublin for her master's in Management. Also playing premier league volleyball there. Employers are literally knocking down the doors of Trinity grads. Good school apparently. She has zero debt and aprox 40K saved. She used my gibill for most of her education along with scholarships. Will she be a high six figure megacorp exec? Probably not. Is she extremely happy with her choice of undergrad major? Yes. "Dad, for Christmas can you get me a copy of your favorite finance book?" "Sure DD".

I personally know numerous folks who earn lots of "real money" and are living paycheck to paycheck.
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My son is doing well in physics of all things.. He said maybe “ill get out of computer science and focus on it.” I asked him “well what would you do with a degree in physics?” I said i think you may need a masters to find employment. The point was my 19 year old hadn’t done the homework. He’s learning but still has a way to go.. oh and by the by he’s still a computer science major.
I worked in Aerospace early in my career and we had physics majors with just a BS degree working in our department. The projects we worked on were laser/optics systems, I would think there's still a need for someone with a similar education background today.
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“DD graduated U Delaware with sports management. Interned for 4 months in Melbourne, Australia where she received mutiple job offers and played premier league volleyball.”

This kid also went to U of D and worked for 2 hockey franchises .. no real money moved to marketing. Seems to like his current gig.

Good for you daughter.. if she likes what shes doing...great school hopefully she wont have to work like an investment banker when she graduates.

‘I personally know numerous folks who earn lots of "real money" and are living paycheck to paycheck.’ Who doesnt? Spenders come in all income levels.

I hope i didnt give the wrong impression we live and advocate living simply.. if you do a little bit of $ goes a long way...
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A classmate of my then 17 year old niece, told her I'm picking that school because they have a sport media/journalism degree and I want to be an anchor for ESPN...good luck with that one buddy...
I don’t see what’s wrong with that. It’s great to be inspired and have ambition. Plenty of sports reporting goes on. And there are plenty of sports related opportunities they can move into if they have to adjust as they advance their career - heck even marketing!
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I don’t see what’s wrong with that. It’s great to be inspired and have ambition. Plenty of sports reporting goes on. And there are plenty of sports related opportunities they can move into if they have to adjust as they advance their career - heck even marketing!

And sports medicine. Not being sarcastic, it’s very relevant.
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I don’t see what’s wrong with that. It’s great to be inspired and have ambition. Plenty of sports reporting goes on. And there are plenty of sports related opportunities they can move into if they have to adjust as they advance their career - heck even marketing!
Yes, the path from news/sports journalism to marketing is well-trodden.
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That last sentence is what one of my nieces said of her degree in Dance from the University of MD, College Park. She wanted to be a Rockette. Never made it, but she did get a job with Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus for several years and traveled the world that way, was an entertainment director on a cruise ship for a while, and a bunch of other oddjob entertainment type gigs over the years. She never did make it to NYC and be a Rockette.

She is now in her mid to late 50's and works as an underemployed and flat broke process server in Las Vegas. If she ever stops working she will subsist on SS and whatever other public benefits she may qualify for.

But she will never wonder "What if". Now she knows.
Okay, we’ll tell my nephew (who has his eyes wide open) to come home immediately and learn how to write code. But I bet your niece is still glad she went for it.
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About 20 years ago we were at a competition and met a high school kid and his dad. Kid ended up going to MIT for engineering, but dropped out.Wanted to hang out with a couple of his internet friends. They sold their company for ~500 million. Started another company with a friend, they sold that company for close to a billion.


I wonder if I screwed up by sticking it out and suffering through all of that calculus, thermodynamics, fluid flow, strength of materials... In hind sight, I should of spent more time hanging out with that kid!
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I worked in Aerospace early in my career and we had physics majors with just a BS degree working in our department. The projects we worked on were laser/optics systems, I would think there's still a need for someone with a similar education background today.
I was an EE working in aerospace most of my career. Much of my work in R&D could be done by a math major, or a physics major who was interested enough to learn about the fields. The stuff I worked on was not taught in school anyway. All the course works including graduate school were merely preparatory material to enable me to learn more once I started working.

Only some of my work required knowledge of electronic circuit design, and that can be learned by a science major too.
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Something is missing from the story, I'd say. Being a cruise ship entertainment director strikes me as quite demanding, with organizational and interpersonal skills that would transfer to other administrative, sales, and management jobs.

Some people simply aren't very good at anything; could that have been the case with this poor lady? I mean, it sounds like she could've been a washout as a STEM major too.

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T was an entertainment director on a cruise ship for a while, ....

She is now in her mid to late 50's and works as an underemployed and flat broke process server in Las Vegas. If she ever stops working she will subsist on SS and whatever other public benefits she may qualify for.

But she will never wonder "What if". Now she knows.
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Twenty years from now I expect my son to be working in an occupation/industry/specialty that does not even exist today.
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