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02-20-2010, 06:44 AM
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I saw the replay last night. I guess the speech was a decent first step in an attempt to put this behind him and rebuild the image. But whenever he does return to golf, he will be asked a lot of tough questions at the weekly press conferences so that will be interesting. I could care less about the details though. Personally, I enjoy watching the PGA tour even without him. But there are some who only watch because of him.
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02-20-2010, 07:02 AM
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I watched the apology. My initial reaction was "horse hockey". We'll have to wait and see how this thing plays out. I don't understand why sports figures get so much attention and are held up as heroes for young people. They make gillions playing games and endorsing products. What's really so great about that?
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02-20-2010, 08:39 AM
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Tiger didn't apologize. He just read the words written for him by his PR agency, and exhibited the facial expressions that they coached him to use.
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02-20-2010, 09:25 AM
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Did not see his speech. Frankly, just don't give a hoot. Whatever problems, are between his wife and him. His mother still loves him, he is still a good player I presume ( no golf fan here), and in time will be back to making (some) money.
Don't see the point of public self abuse, they are but words on paper read aloud. Whatever remorse he has, surely will be dealt with by him in private. I guess those who paid money to watch him play and bought the stuff he endorsed wanted a pound of flesh. Hence the public reading.
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02-20-2010, 09:45 AM
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Things I've learned from Tigerpalooza in the last six months:
If you do something wrong, an apology can never erase that fact and it may not be accepted whether heartfelt or not.
Do not believe you know anything about anyone other than the activities you can observe (playing a sport, legislating, acting, playing music). Enjoy those activities for what they are. All the rest of their lives are either being set up for us or are being created in our own minds (I want to believe a stellar athlete is a great guy because I want to believe nice guys win, but really the two issues are not related in the least).
The media makes money off everything they can and there was a lot of money to be made and free publicity to be garnered by a lot of people in covering Tiger yesterday. A sports figure being a complete jerk in his personal life gets a lot more coverage than anything of substance.
Don't sleep with a married man. And don't expect a public apology from him.
Kiss my DH more often.
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02-20-2010, 11:48 AM
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Let's play golf........enough said (MYOB) !
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02-20-2010, 01:32 PM
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I think Tiger's life details are about as important as Paula Abdul's.
Ha
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02-20-2010, 02:43 PM
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I think Tiger is a narcissistic jerk and that apology was pathetic .
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02-20-2010, 02:50 PM
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One of the shows on the speech had a body language expert on analyzing him. She said he was "robotic" and she didn't see any sincerity there as he had absolutely no facial expression at all. She said she didn't believe him, and she bet Elin didn't either. She really wasn't buying his apology.
Personally, I felt it had to be humiliating for him...and that he will be back swinging with the babes within the year. Sorry to be so pessimistic.....or totally realistic about this.
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02-20-2010, 02:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bestwifeever
Things I've learned from Tigerpalooza in the last six months:
If you do something wrong, an apology can never erase that fact and it may not be accepted whether heartfelt or not.
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Yeah, but covering it up with an "accident" followed by a period of denial doesn't make it more likely it will be accepted. What *does* make an apology more likely to be accepted is a belief that the apology really was sincere and heartfelt and not just "spin," damage control or for PR purposes.
I think back to Watergate -- what Nixon's people did wasn't right, but it wasn't that uncommon and (in the grand scheme) perhaps not even that serious. Dirty politics, but not several standard deviations outside the norm. And it was the cover-up and misuse of government resources to cover it up which was the "bigger deal" that accelerated his downfall.
Sometimes how you react to screwing up speaks more about your character than the original screw-up. Good people make mistakes. People with character own it rather than try to sweep it under the rug; they admit their mistakes, apologize as necessary, make amends where possible and vow to learn from it so they don't repeat it.
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02-20-2010, 02:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggy29
Yeah, but covering it up with an "accident" followed by a period of denial doesn't make it more likely it will be accepted. What *does* make an apology more likely to be accepted is a belief that the apology really was sincere and heartfelt and not just "spin," damage control or for PR purposes.
I think back to Watergate -- what Nixon's people did wasn't right, but it wasn't that uncommon and (in the grand scheme) perhaps not even that serious. Dirty politics, but not several standard deviations outside the norm. And it was the cover-up and misuse of government resources to cover it up which was the "bigger deal" that accelerated his downfall.
Sometimes how you react to screwing up speaks more about your character than the original screw-up. Good people make mistakes. People with character own it rather than try to sweep it under the rug; they admit their mistakes, apologize as necessary, make amends where possible and vow to learn from it so they don't repeat it.
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Examples please of those instances where a heartfelt apology was accepted by all?
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02-20-2010, 03:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bestwifeever
Examples please of those instances where a heartfelt apology was accepted by all?
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Looking back, I don't see where I ever said something would be accepted by *all* people; of course that will never happen. I merely said that seeming truly sincere and contrite would make it more likely for people to accept your apology. Seems fairly "common-sensical" to me, and nowhere did I say anything about "all".
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02-20-2010, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ziggy29
Looking back, I don't see where I ever said something would be accepted by *all* people; of course that will never happen. I merely said that seeming truly sincere and contrite would make it more likely for people to accept your apology. Seems fairly "common-sensical" to me, and nowhere did I say anything about "all".
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Fair enough, and no apology would be accepted by all regardless of the path one followed in atoning for transgressions. Many people are on the record as believing Tiger was truly sincere and contrite in his apology, and many are on the opposite side of the fence.
Personally I don't believe him and I don't not believe him--he could be truly sincere and contrite, he could be a lying sack of sh*t. How would we know?
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02-20-2010, 03:59 PM
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I was hoping he'd gaze sincerely into the camera and say "I didn't have sex with those women.......")
I do find it amazing that folks who are not financially impacted by the business implications of Tiger's capers give a s*hit. He did apologize to his employees for reducing the business effectiveness of "Tiger, Inc." Other than those folks, who cares? Tiger is just one of millions of guys and gals who screw around on their spouses every year.
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02-20-2010, 04:20 PM
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I was at lunch with former cow*rkers when it was being broadcast "live" on Friday. The large screen (52" I'm guessing) TV sound was off with close captioning on.
Being an avid observer of people's body language to begin with, I give him an "A" for effort but a huge "F" for sincerity.
Nice try but no cigar...
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02-20-2010, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bestwifeever
Examples please of those instances where a heartfelt apology was accepted by all?
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Reminds me of Robert McNamara trying to apologize for his conduct and execution of the Vietnam War...
Can't remember if Jane Fonda ever apologized for her conduct. I think the closest she came was to complain about anorexia.
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02-20-2010, 06:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by youbet
I was hoping he'd gaze sincerely into the camera and say "I didn't have sex with those women.......")
I do find it amazing that folks who are not financially impacted by the business implications of Tiger's capers give a s*hit. He did apologize to his employees for reducing the business effectiveness of "Tiger, Inc." Other than those folks, who cares? Tiger is just one of millions of guys and gals who screw around on their spouses every year.
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No kidding that he's just one of millions.
When this came on tv all I could think of was what a waste of tv broadcast time.
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02-20-2010, 09:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freebird5825
Being an avid observer of people's body language to begin with, I give him an "A" for effort but a huge "F" for sincerity.
Nice try but no cigar...
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He appeared almost as sincere as Michael Vick. Another great role model for the kids.
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02-20-2010, 11:29 PM
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I don't see the point in a public apology. I couldn't care less what he does, and the ONLY person he owes an apology to is his wife.
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02-20-2010, 11:55 PM
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Not to make a to fine of a point on the spin way back... but he actually said (the real quote)... "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."... and if you actually read the definitions... he did not... I still think he lied and cheated, just like Tiger lied and cheated... One was a abuse of power, the other just consenting adults doing what they do...
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