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01-14-2020, 05:10 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
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01-14-2020, 05:56 PM
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#42
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Originally Posted by Midpack
That’s why is included the word some. Wage inequality, partisanship, racism, sexism, national debt, climate change - but I won’t belabor the ways things are worse. My only point was seeing Boomers in a negative connotation shouldn’t come as a surprise.
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Racism is worse now? Sexism? I don't see that at all. Wage inequality? Have you heard of "Robber Barons?"
The national debt is higher. Yet the economy chugs along. I don't pretend to understand it, so I'm not prepared to say it's better or worse.
We've been impacting our climate since the industrial revolution. It's pretty much the Boomer generation who identified the problem, and we've made huge progress toward both alternative energy and efficiency. We banned DDT, cleaned harbors which had been virtual cesspools, passed emissions and efficiency standards for automobiles, created the EPA and endangered species lists, and founded all kinds of organizations which are helping push positive changes. Are we done yet? No. But we've made good progress.
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Originally Posted by Amethyst
My real estate agent blamed "The Baby Boomers" for driving up house prices. She meant people born in the late 1940s, not youngsters like me. But I'm classed as a "boomer" now.
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I know! I wasn't a Boomer until recently, either. The boom was supposed to be when the servicemen came home from the war in the 1940s. and started, er, resuming normal activities. I wasn't born for another 15 or so years after they got back. I guess my parents were slow starters?
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Originally Posted by Bestwifeever
For example, some people are almost proud that they never read/watch newscasts or popular movies or tv shows; if we don’t have current/shared knowledge that we can view through the vintage filters of our decades or experience and then share this with others, how can we be seen as relevant?
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That's me. I seek out varied news sources on the web and read the stories myself; no talking head reading them to me or opining about why they prove the "other team" is awful. I also avoid TV shows and movies.
And, yes, I'm left out of the conversation when it turns to irrelevant drivel like who was in such-and-such a movie. I couldn't care less. If they talk about something which has some relevance to our lives, I'll join the discussion.
I'm not sure how that makes me irrelevant. But I'd admit to being uninteresting to someone who lives their lives vicariously through TV and movies, and I'm certainly not going to win the favor of some die-hard partisan who only watches one-sided so-called news channels which support their pre-conceived point of view.
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01-14-2020, 06:19 PM
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#43
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Originally Posted by CaptTom
... I seek out varied news sources on the web and read the stories myself; no talking head reading them to me or opining about why they prove the "other team" is awful. I also avoid TV shows and movies.
And, yes, I'm left out of the conversation when it turns to irrelevant drivel like who was in such-and-such a movie. I couldn't care less. If they talk about something which has some relevance to our lives, I'll join the discussion.
I'm not sure how that makes me irrelevant. But I'd admit to being uninteresting to someone who lives their lives vicariously through TV and movies, and I'm certainly not going to win the favor of some die-hard partisan who only watches one-sided so-called news channels which support their pre-conceived point of view.
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Sorry, I’m watching the Jeopardy tournament because TV so not much time to respond but of course all news is edited, no matter where you see it. My bigger point is that if we take ourselves out of the world (and not saying we shouldn’t), who will find us relevant? And would we care?
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01-14-2020, 07:11 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Hmmm... I never thought about this.
Was I ever relevant? I don't know. It does not seem to matter much either way, to me or to the world.
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01-14-2020, 07:34 PM
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#45
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I am certainly relevant to the patients i fly to their appointments. Almost all these are during the week when most people are working. The beauty of being retired is that I can do this on weekdays.
I was speaking to one of the managers at Angel Flight West, and he looked me up and told me I had flown 110 missions. I was quite surprised, as i had no idea.
I am also rlevant to the people who come to our local hospice to borrow medical appliances that I and my partner repair.
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01-14-2020, 08:28 PM
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#46
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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I know! That's how I feel when I see ill-natured comments about "fading into irrelevancy." The commenter isn't feeling too relevant, is my suspicion! Things aren't going too well, and it's easy to blame some group that one doesn't currently belong to.
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Originally Posted by NW-Bound
Hmmm... I never thought about this.
Was I ever relevant? I don't know. It does not seem to matter much either way, to me or to the world.
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What is meant when people say an old person "becomes irrelevant"?
01-14-2020, 08:34 PM
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gone traveling
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What is meant when people say an old person "becomes irrelevant"?
Seniors give their unwanted opinion unsolicited and confuse experience for wisdom
Most are slow to adopt to new knowledge and live in the past
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01-14-2020, 08:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nancyfrank232
Seniors give their unwanted opinion unsolicited and confuse experience for wisdom
Most are slow to adopt to new knowledge and live in the past
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Have a source for these accusations or conclusions?
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01-14-2020, 08:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NW-Bound
Hmmm... I never thought about this.
Was I ever relevant? I don't know. It does not seem to matter much either way, to me or to the world.
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My job forced me to be relevant. That was a major reason for me retiring as I wanted to be irrelevant. In fact not only am I irrelevant, anything I do is irrelevant. Retirement is working out as planned.
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01-14-2020, 09:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nancyfrank232
Seniors give their unwanted opinion unsolicited and confuse experience for wisdom
Most are slow to adopt to new knowledge and live in the past
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That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with there.
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01-14-2020, 09:07 PM
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#51
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01-15-2020, 12:23 AM
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#52
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amethyst
I know! That's how I feel when I see ill-natured comments about "fading into irrelevancy." The commenter isn't feeling too relevant, is my suspicion! Things aren't going too well, and it's easy to blame some group that one doesn't currently belong to.
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Originally Posted by Mulligan
My job forced me to be relevant. That was a major reason for me retiring as I wanted to be irrelevant. In fact not only am I irrelevant, anything I do is irrelevant. Retirement is working out as planned.
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7 years after I stopped work, people where I last worked still asked if I wanted to come back to help out. Engineering knowledge, actually applied mathematics in this case, is always relevant, particularly in this arcane field that I spent a few years in my career studying to develop an expertise.
Nobody ever asks for or values my opinions on politics, literature, arts, economics, or humanities in general. I am not relevant there. And I do not care.
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01-15-2020, 07:33 AM
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#53
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Apr 2015
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How did this devolve into another generational warfare thread?
Anyways,
relevance: relation to the matter at hand
The question is, what is the "matter at hand?"
Without knowing that, "irrelevant" just seems like a general complaint that no one values your opinion anymore.
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01-15-2020, 08:13 AM
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#54
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Originally Posted by AnonEMouse
How did this devolve into another generational warfare thread?
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Probably because we all know that when people attack "old people" on discussion fora, it's one particular generation they have in mind? And it ain't the Depression-era kids.
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Originally Posted by AnonEMouse
Anyways,
relevance: relation to the matter at hand
The question is, what is the "matter at hand?"
Without knowing that, "irrelevant" just seems like a general complaint that no one values your opinion anymore.
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The comments I was thinking about were all pretty general, so I suspect you are correct. As some have mentioned, it's pretty rare that anybody values anybody's opinion,unless they want to go out with you and that's seldom on the table with old people. Everyone else's insights were helpful to my understanding, as well.
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01-15-2020, 08:50 AM
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#55
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Originally Posted by Amethyst
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The comments I was thinking about were all pretty general, so I suspect you are correct. As some have mentioned, it's pretty rare that anybody values anybody's opinion,unless they want to go out with you and that's seldom on the table with old people. Everyone else's insights were helpful to my understanding, as well.
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+1 I have to continuously remind myself of your comment in red. Even here we see plenty of threads where the poster has obviously not read the previous comments but has to get their 2 cents in anyway.
Now if you want my opinion ....
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01-15-2020, 09:01 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonEMouse
How did this devolve into another generational warfare thread?
Anyways,
relevance: relation to the matter at hand
The question is, what is the "matter at hand?"
Without knowing that, "irrelevant" just seems like a general complaint that no one values your opinion anymore.
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I confess.
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01-15-2020, 09:29 AM
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I keep reminding myself that advice is often given but rarely taken. That's why I keep my mouth shut. Usually a waste of time.
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01-15-2020, 09:40 AM
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When I see an older person, older than me, I see wisdom and experience. My DH grandmother passed at 101. She was born in 1904. I cherished talking with her about anything. Setting aside trends, education, innovation, AI etc. there is a lifeline that extends from generation to generation that provides a sense of wisdom and common sense. DGM was not educated in today's definition of education. She was not wealthy in her youth. She lived before the industrial age, before cars, phones, bathrooms etc were available to the general public. So, grandparents are relevant. The elderly are relevant. Old people are relevant.
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01-15-2020, 11:34 AM
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Recycles dryer sheets
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrencewendall
I keep reminding myself that advice is often given but rarely taken. That's why I keep my mouth shut. Usually a waste of time.
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That reminds me of the humorous article:
"Advice, like youth, probably just wasted on the young"
Full article here:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/colum...mn-column.html
"Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.
But trust me on the sunscreen."
I think we can all use a bit of levity.
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What is meant when people say an old person "becomes irrelevant"?
01-15-2020, 01:18 PM
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gone traveling
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What is meant when people say an old person "becomes irrelevant"?
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Originally Posted by Lawrencewendall
I keep reminding myself that advice is often given but rarely taken. That's why I keep my mouth shut. Usually a waste of time.
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I wish more seniors would follow your lead
Many believe they are wise but once they open their mouth you realize that they’re just old
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