When Eating Out, Do You Tip On The Bill Pre or Post Tax?

When Eating Out, Do You Tip On The Bill Pre or Post Tax?

  • I tip on the bill before taxes are added in.

    Votes: 61 41.5%
  • I tip on the bill after taxes are added in.

    Votes: 76 51.7%
  • other

    Votes: 10 6.8%

  • Total voters
    147
I voted other. About 80% of the time we eat out we are using a coupon of some sort or another. I always tip generously on the amount that the bill would have been without the coupon. For example, we run a (pretax) tab of $30 but the coupon reduces it to $20. I would likely tip $7-$8, better than 20% on the pre-coupon amount. We've had more than one server give us a double take on this practice, but it works well when we return. The owners may not like us, but the wait staff does.
 
+1 it is important to add back any coupons or discounts or gift cards in figuring the tip to be fair to the waitstaff. Easy to forget about if you are rushed.
 
20% of the total bill tax included. We tipped 25% on few occasions when the service was exceptional.

I do the same--except I don't figure out what 25% is. I just kick in a few extra dollars over the 20%.
 
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20% rounded up, post tax. On a small bill (just me for lunch) five bucks minimum. If I go to a buffet (I like Chinese, what can I say) I leave a couple bucks for the girl clearing the table.

My wife and I just started frequenting a mom and pop out of the way in the next town over. Wouldn't know it was there unless somebody showed you. Great food, great service. The last time we went, I checked my CC receipt in the car and told my wife, "I know I put a 20% tip on this. It's not on here." My wife told me our server was the owner. She doesn't take tips. First time that's ever happened to me.

Ron
 
Doubling the tax is easy math, but I am also an engineer so can do math in my head. I usually do 15-20% of the post-tax bill. Always base on any pre-coupon total amount.
 
Never thought of calculating a tip pretax. Maybe I will do that, at risk if having to wait longer at the overall gates.

I used to calculate 15% on the total. Now I use 20%, or higher. Much easier to calculate. I always round up or down to a dollar.

One kid waited tables during college, so I'm aware of the tricks many employers play on the wait staff. In general the wait staff deserve better pay.
 
When my dad was retired he belonged to a very nice golf club in Naples, Fl. He had one golfing buddy I didn't care for. He retired at 55, no kids, had been a successful attorney. Drove a Benz and a Corvette. After golf the custom was to run the carts to the shed where retired men would wipe the clubs off, take them off the cart and put them into storage. The routine was to tip them a buck a bag. My dad said, "watch this, old Rollie (mr. cheapskate) will ask me to tip the boys, he has to go to the head, but he'll 'catch up to me' later. Never has, never will"...
One day we had lunch with this guy, and a few of my dad's other cronies, and he was "the guy" we all know who wanted the check broken down, because he had a lemonade, and not a beer etc etc and then calculated, with his phone, 12% BEFORE TAX...I couldn't believe it.
I told him, "Rollie, you are going to die, soon enough, with more money than this person will earn in a lifetime. Would it kill you to just drop a 5 down and walk away?" He never liked me after that.
I'm not sure whether my dad was more embarrassed by Rollie or by my saying something. I think on the way home was the first time I ever heard the saying "money is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master".
 
OMG, life it to short to worry about if I'm tipping someone an extra quarter or two. I look at the total bill, add 10% if the service is poor but adequate and 20% if it's good and I usually round it up to the nearest dollar. Don't need any calculator or smart phone app to figure that either.

Yep. Keeps things simple
 
We're all looking at this from US American eyes. In Italy you don't tip - they pay the waitstaff living wages. You might round up to the next euro when paying il conto.

Here in the US the percentage has been rising. I remember my parents paying 10% tips. I remember 10-15% was the norm when I was a young adult. Now it's 20%. This is confirmed in an article here
Tipping Guide: History, Myths about Gratuities for Waiters, Maids
Waiters haven’t always gotten 20%, or even 15%. It makes sense that we tip more as time passes, just to keep up with inflation. That doesn’t explain why we’d be expected to tip at an increasingly higher percentage, however, because as our restaurant bills have gone up, so have the gratuities. (If a fancy dinner in 1950 cost $50, a 15% tip would be $7.50; if a comparable fancy dinner in 2000 ran $100, the tip at a 15% rate would double too.)

Nonetheless, the standard percentage to tip waitstaff has risen over the decades. According to a PayScale study, the median tip is now 19.5%. In recent years, some waiters and restaurants have suggested that 25% or even 30% is the proper gratuity level, and that a 20% tip, once considered generous, is just average today. As recently as 2008, though, an Esquire tipping guide stated “15 percent for good service is still the norm” at American restaurants. An American Demographics study from 2001 found that three-quarters of Americans tipped an average of 17% on restaurant bills, while 22% tipped a flat amount no matter what the bill, and the gratuity left averaged $4.67. Meanwhile, in 1922, Emily Post wrote, “You will not get good service unless you tip generously,” and “the rule is ten per cent.”
 
OMG, life it to short to worry about if I'm tipping someone an extra quarter or two. I look at the total bill, add 10% if the service is poor but adequate and 20% if it's good and I usually round it up to the nearest dollar. Don't need any calculator or smart phone app to figure that either.

+1 I tip 20% of whole bill. It's easy to figure out, and the difference between that and any pre-tax basis is truly a nominal amount.
 
Depends upon the restaurant price. Rule of thumb, if $100 or more, tip based on pretax. If less than $50, post-tax. But we also vary the percentage based on service, and tend to tip higher percentage at cheaper places/meals.
This is what I do. My wife and I have a favorite restaurant that isn't expensive. Bill is usually around $25 - $30. I typically tip $10 to them. Otherwise I give around 20% of the total bill unless service is bad.
 
We're all looking at this from US American eyes. In Italy you don't tip - they pay the waitstaff living wages. You might round up to the next euro when paying il conto.

Here in the US the percentage has been rising. I remember my parents paying 10% tips. I remember 10-15% was the norm when I was a young adult. Now it's 20%. This is confirmed in an article here
Tipping Guide: History, Myths about Gratuities for Waiters, Maids

In Rome, whenever I asked if the tip was included, BEFORE I SAT DOWN, the answer was "yes, all included", but if I forgot and waited until the check arrived I would get an embarrassed apologetic smile and a "no, not included".....
 
20% of the after tax bill mas o menos - and if it works out the tip is in cash and the bill on a card.

Though I still have bad dreams about a couple times there was a high-ish bill and I tipped generously, then discovered later the gratuity had been pre-figured and added to the total I used to figure the tip.
 
In inexpensive places, where the total bill is $50 or less, I'll not go below 15% unless the service is really horrific.

As with coupons, I try not to penalize the server. So at my local watering hole, if the beer is on special price that day, I usually go with $1, which works out to over 30%.

My problem is at fancy restaurants where the servers are snooty and think they're doing you a great favor by serving you. They are certainly skilled (have the spiel down for what the specials are with fancy wording to describe the dishes), but many times that's the last time they spend any considerable time serving us. Others do robotic and impersonal delivery from the kitchen and water refills. I get much better, more personalized, higher concern for my satisfaction at my informal local $10 per meal place, so I have a hard time justifying even 15%, pre tax at the expensive places. When it's been poor and particularly sparse attention, plus a snooty attitude, I've been known to ask the server how many times they visited our table and that becomes their tip, in dollars (I hope they get the message). One time the guy inserted a "1" in front of my single digit tip and then changed the total. I'm glad I don't encounter those kinds of servers very often.
 
I pay cash so I leave 18-20% pre-tax, rounded up. For exceptional service and/or a place I eat at frequently I'll add an extra buck or two - I want them to remember me in future visits, which they do. For subpar service I'll lower it to 15% but also speak to the manager or comment in the place's website and ask to speak to a manager (they always reply) which I find more effective.


Some places post tip percentages (15%, 18%, 20%) of pretax amounts on the check which I actually find helpful even though I can do the math in my head. I have also found that places vary how they handle coupons or discounts on the check even though I make sure to add back any discounts before calculating the tip if the check doesn't already show any pre-discounted figures.
 
Come to think about it, I've been lazy and generally double the tax as the tip. So, I really don't calculate based on before or after the tax added in.
Same here. We've got 9% sales tax (LA county) so that's 18% tip pre-tax. I increase it to 20% for good service. I do tip $5 minimum for less pricey restaurants or if I only have a small meal. I rarely eat out though (always brown bag my lunches).
 
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From Rodi's link:
while 22% tipped a flat amount no matter what the bill, and the gratuity left averaged $4.67.

That's very interesting as I've never known anyone to tip this way, but perhaps those who do this just don't admit it, never do it with others present, or are in a completely different demographic.
 
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My problem is at fancy restaurants where the servers are snooty and think they're doing you a great favor by serving you. They are certainly skilled (have the spiel down for what the specials are with fancy wording to describe the dishes), but many times that's the last time they spend any considerable time serving us. Others do robotic and impersonal delivery from the kitchen and water refills. I get much better, more personalized, higher concern for my satisfaction at my informal local $10 per meal place, so I have a hard time justifying even 15%, pre tax at the expensive places.....

+1. We've had this a few times, and yes, we adjust tip down considerably, don't come back, and DW leaves an even more detailed trip advisor review than usual. Luckily, it has been rare for us. (Last one that comes readily to mind was Commander's Palace in NOLA about 4 years ago.) Either we have been lucky, and/or DW's extensive due diligence on restaurants (whatever the price range) has been worth it.

Will be interesting when we retire and have more time to go out to eat; probably will have more duds when we step up to a restaurant meal every week.
 
We rarely go out to eat anymore, preferring to do our own thing. The single exception is our Chinese/Mongolian restaurant, which is incredible, with sushi, stir fry, 50 entrees, 20 fresh fruits and veggies, and 40 different desserts.
All of that and the total meal price for two, including tax, is now $12.56. I never leave less than $5. When we bring friends and family, we get a separate room. Always leave 30%... 'cuz we like the people and like to show appreciation for the food and the services. Always an extra $1 for the sushi chef, even though I only take a few pieces.
Any other restaurants... 20+%.
If we ate out more often, it would be different.
 
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Minimum Wage?

Is the minimum wage for restaurant staff $2.13 per hour in most states?
 
Is the minimum wage for restaurant staff $2.13 per hour in most states?
Oh, ouch. That's not right. Wait staff should earn at least minimum wage with the tips being just bonus.
 
Is the minimum wage for restaurant staff $2.13 per hour in most states?
Just went to In-Out Burger in Rohnert Park, CA. There was a posting for jobs on the front door as you walked in. It was for $12/hour plus advancement opportunities.
 
Is the minimum wage for restaurant staff $2.13 per hour in most states?

Oh, ouch. That's not right. Wait staff should earn at least minimum wage with the tips being just bonus.


The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate.

If tips do not bring the employee up to the minimum wage then the employer is required to make them whole.... so in essence at least a portion of tips effectively goes to the employer in that they can pay the server a lower wage... at least for those on the bottom of the ladder.
 
Just went to In-Out Burger in Rohnert Park, CA. There was a posting for jobs on the front door as you walked in. It was for $12/hour plus advancement opportunities.

But they don't receive tips do they? Never been to an In-Out but I assume it is a fancy McDonalds and I don't tip there.
 
But they don't receive tips do they? Never been to an In-Out but I assume it is a fancy McDonalds and I don't tip there.
I was just guessing that a waiter for table service around here will get more then this and then there are the tips. I notice the staff has low turnover at restaurants we go to so I am guessing (again) that things are working out well for them. Here is a link that shows the minimum wage by state and California is at $10: U.S. Department of Labor - Wage & Hour Divisions (WHD) - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees

Note, I am not using this as an excuse to tip low.
 
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