Will Mathjak's Thanksgiving Eating Plan Work

[TromboneAl]

Mathjak talked about a diet in which one day a week you eat as much as you want, and your body will not be able to absorb all those calories.

This seems like the perfect plan for tomorrow (Thanksgiving). However, I've found that I can easily gain a few pounds from a day of eating a lot.

What do you think -- will it work?

...zig zag plan.

It works based on the idea that for example a thanksgiving dinner can average 6-8,000 calories. By the next morning we all should weigh 2 lbs more but the fact is we dont. Research has shown we dont because when hit with an unusual amount of calories the body is really unable to metabolize them all and most are excreeded, but dont let your body get used to dealing with that amount ooooh it will store them then very nicely.

SOOOOOOOO FOR 6 DAYS A WEEK STAY ON THE EATING PLAN IN MY POST ABOVE AND 1 DAY A WEEK ,YEP YOU GIT IT,ANYTHING GOES.

Yep pizza,beer donuts, dosnt matter ,enjoy yourself. If you follow the exercise and diet plan you deserve it,you need it and most important your not feeling deprived. Although i havent officially became a trainer for years now i have been helping friends and relatives put a plan together and in every case the 1 day binge isnt a blip on the radar for them.

[samclem]

Beware! it turns out that the devil plays the trombone.

[Martha]

I don't buy it. After all, the food doesn't come back out undigested. If I eat a huge meal I will gain weight. I may try to make up for it by eating less later.

Here is a fun Thanksgiving calorie counter with the number of miles you need to walk to eliminate the calories:

http://walking.about.com/library/cal...ngcalories.htm

[Dawg52]

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Originally Posted by Martha Here is a fun Thanksgiving calorie counter with the number of miles you need to walk to eliminate the calories: http://walking.about.com/library/cal...ngcalories.htm

You think I'm gonna read that the day before Thanksgiving

[TromboneAl]

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After all, the food doesn't come back out undigested.

Well, that image is going to stay with me all day, and help cut down on my eating!

[mathjak107]

it does work,,,, very well documented on line.. if it didnt boy would we weigh alot more after thanksgiving.... i probley did 8,000 calories easy
3200 calories or so = 1lb . i weigh no more today than before thanksgiving.

[TromboneAl]

Still seems a little risky. I gained 2.5 pounds, and am now still 1.5 pounds over my Thursday morning weight. Not that I'm obsessing over this or anything.

[haha]

I have no idea if huge quantities of food can efffectively jam the body's digestive and metabolic apparatus or not, though it seems unlikely. But even if this is true, can it be good for you?

I stopped drinking until I was stinko about the same time I stopped stuffing myself with food just because it was Thanksgiving. Give thanks for being a glutton? I started to fear that this sort of excess might lay me low.

Ha

[mathjak107]

dont forget we arent talking about just over eating here. this is part of a healthy eating plan/ muscle building exercise program. its based on 5-6 days of eating real mean and lean, and burning fat thru good strong cardio routines as well as weight lifting for building muscle .

all bets are off if your just over-eating a day a week with nothing else.

its the calorie deficit that primes the body all week from the cardio and diet that allows the eat anything routine.


martha dont confuse digesting something with metabolizing it.

we digest lettuce as an example but we dont metabolize it and store it. it has zero calories to the human body

the idea of the zig zag diet is it allows you to eat the more calorie/fat laden foods but within reason , a slice or 2 of pizza, a beer, a chocolate eclair maybe but certainly not a holiday feast every week.

[Martha]

Mathjak, I see no issue with averaging amount of calories over several days. For example, we know that to lose a pound of weight you have to have a deficit of 3500 calorie in a seven day period. The easiest is reduce your intake by 500 calories a day (or burn that many more calories). But you can within reason cut more from some days than from others. So, if you needed an average of an 1800 calorie a day diet to lose weight, you could have a 1200 day and a 2400 day and still lose weight.

But, I still think that if you ingest a calorie you are going to either store that calorie or burn it. It won't magically disappear. Unless you are bulemic.

[mathjak107]

heres the problem...you can cut your calories and loose those 3500 calories representing 1 lb.. the problem is you dont loose just fat, you loose muscle too. since its the muscle that burns calories and only muscle with each pound you loose you slow your metabolisium even more.

thats why for most dieters they gain more weight with each cycle.

now back to the plan;

for the 5 days you are eating lean and mean and thru intense exercise you are actually burning muscle and fat. the extra calories 1 or 2 days a week is to rebuild the muscle back up coupled with the weight lifting..

calorie deficit = burning fat and muscle

calorie overage plus weight lifting = building muscle back.


it works very well, my wife and i have been doing it for years now as well as many people at the gym..

for whatever reason its this keeping the body in a state of flux that makes it work.

[cube_rat]

There is some truth to mathjak's zig zag diet. The human body adapts very well to stress (the exercise kind) and diet. Doing the same exercise with the same intensity and eating the same stuff will yield a brickwall with results. The best exercise technique is utilizing HIIT a few times a week and also mixing up your diet to breakthrough weighloss and/or fitness barriers.

For those not familiar with HITT:

http://www.oxygenmag.net/showthread.php?t=3365

[mathjak107]

exactley cube rat, you get brick walled. its the wild swings from calorie deficit and exercise to calorie-overage and exercise that actually make the body go the opposite of our starvation mode.

when you under feed the body and the body isnt use to it the body slows itself down cutting your calorie burning ability way down to a crawl.

the reverse happens too. when your body isnt use to the excessive calories it cant process them all either .

the problem is most dieters dont exercise to the intensity they need to make this happen or they just plain over eat continually and their bodies adapt real quick to metabolizing exsessive amounts of calories

[Martha]

I also recognize the importance of building or at least trying to maintain muscle when trying to lose weight. That is why starvation diets are so bad--you end up losing too much muscle. You can be left as a thin fat person. Out of shape and easily vulnerable to rapid weight gain because you don't have those efficient calorie burning muscles.

But, I still believe that calories in have to be used or stored.

[cube_rat]

Martha: Even Weight Watchers suggests a mixture of points (calories) as a tool to breakthrough weight loss plateaus. WW may allot you 35 daily points, but have plans which specify using 25 points one day, then 30, then 35, then 20, etc when you have hit a plateau. Plateaus usually come when someone is very close to their goal weight,

[mathjak107]

you would think that would be the case but like everything else our bodies do it seems, when its not used to something it just dosnt know how to react. if you like you can just google the zig zag diet and read about it, its really nothing new though, its been around for decades in the body building circuit.

[cube_rat]

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Originally Posted by mathjak107 if you like you can just google the zig zag diet and read about it, its really nothing new though, its been around for decades in the body building circuit.

Yep, I had an ex-boyfriend was a competitive body builder. Bodybuilders also used low carb dieting long before it became chic in the mainstream(lol)