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Old 11-14-2018, 03:53 PM   #21
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I am pretty sure to be alone on this one.

Windows 8.1 will probably be my preferred OS through 2023. As opposed to Win 10, updates can still be installed manually at my discretion and convenience.

On two of my Windows computers, I keep Linux Mint on a separate drive that can be switched as easily as a USB device.

When Win 7 loses mainstream support in 2020, those computers will probably be using Linux although Win 10 is an option.
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Old 11-14-2018, 04:02 PM   #22
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My mistake... I know better.

But... about Slimjet... I have several old computers...Windows 7, XP and Vista. ..Chrome no longer supports these operating systems.... but....

Slimjet Does! and, IMHO quite well. In some cases, easier to use than Chrome.
...and, can't beat "free".
I would be careful about going online with PCs running XP and Vista.
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Old 11-14-2018, 04:49 PM   #23
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Microsoft has a little known version called Windows 10 LTSC, it doesn't update every 6 months, only every 3 years. It has no junk in it like Candy Crush. It is the way they should have done it if it was done right. They don't want regular users using it, it is only for business.
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Old 11-14-2018, 06:50 PM   #25
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Microsoft has a little known version called Windows 10 LTSC, it doesn't update every 6 months, only every 3 years. It has no junk in it like Candy Crush. It is the way they should have done it if it was done right. They don't want regular users using it, it is only for business.
Do you mean LTSB ?

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Old 11-14-2018, 07:13 PM   #26
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The new name for 2019 is LTSC.
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The new name for 2019 is LTSC.
I Google'd LTSC and got what I got. LOL.

It must be too new for Google.
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I am pretty sure to be alone on this one.

Windows 8.1 will probably be my preferred OS through 2023. As opposed to Win 10, updates can still be installed manually at my discretion and convenience.
8.1 actually was not bad after it stabilized.
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When I first retired, I like to listen to the traffic reports to see what I was no longer exposed to. Now I like reading about Windows problems. I have drunk the Apple-flavored Kool-Aid.
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I just hate all the updating... 2 or 3 times in the last couple of days...
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When I first retired, I like to listen to the traffic reports to see what I was no longer exposed to. Now I like reading about Windows problems. I have drunk the Apple-flavored Kool-Aid.


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I have a question for those of you that moved over to Apple. How was your learning curve and did all your software work? I have tried using my daughters Mac but I do not like having to figure out how to find the apps, setting, and dealing with if it has a USB or not.
Since I use excel and work a fair amount I would have to purchase new software and find all new drivers for my printers, speakers, etc.
Was not all this a hassle? The new MAC does not have a traditional A or B USB right? No headphone jack right? I would have to purchase a new backup drives, new USB drives, etc...
How did you overcome all this hassle?
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I have a question for those of you that moved over to Apple. How was your learning curve and did all your software work? I have tried using my daughters Mac but I do not like having to figure out how to find the apps, setting, and dealing with if it has a USB or not.
Since I use excel and work a fair amount I would have to purchase new software and find all new drivers for my printers, speakers, etc.
Was not all this a hassle? The new MAC does not have a traditional A or B USB right? No headphone jack right? I would have to purchase a new backup drives, new USB drives, etc...
How did you overcome all this hassle?
Moving from one environment to another is always going to involve a learning curve and adaptation. This year (2018) I've been working on a long-overdue transition from a Windows PC (Dell) purchased in 2007 to a more recent iMac. Having been an iPhone/iTouch user for a while now, the applications were familiar to me at least by name and basic operation on the mobile devices.

The thing that has consumed the most time has been transferring data from the PC to the iMac. Lots of stuff I don't want to lose. It turned out that the Western Digital external drive that was attached to the PC and using WD's backup software is readable (but read-only) by the iMac. It didn't take long to copy the data on that drive to the iMac and now I'm sifting through what I want to keep or toss.

I bought a USB hub at Walmart that is working well and can be helpful for transferring or charging things while I work. I suppose that sort of thing is dependent on what your particular Mac support by way of ports and such.

Things like printers/scanners "just worked" when I set the iMac up. I've purchased a newer external drive, dedicated to the iMac and under control of MacOS' "Time Machine" to manage the backups.

I didn't leave Windows entirely, though. It is expensive, but I got a VM (virtual machine) solution that allows me to run Windows (another expense) on the Mac. I use it regularly, but only for a very limited set of Windows applications.

I think making the leap to the Mac is already and will be a big positive going forward.

[ADDED] One other thing that has been taking a stupid amount of time is importing (from CDs) my collection of music into iTunes. I never tried iTunes on Windows, guess I never associated that OS with ďartĒ. But that's entertainment/pleasure-directed only!
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I have been trying out Manjaro Linux on a machine from 2010. Put a $20 SSD and Manjaro and you would never know it was an old machine. Very fast and CPU usage is so low compared to what Windows was doing with it.
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I have a question for those of you that moved over to Apple. How was your learning curve and did all your software work? I have tried using my daughters Mac but I do not like having to figure out how to find the apps, setting, and dealing with if it has a USB or not.
Since I use excel and work a fair amount I would have to purchase new software and find all new drivers for my printers, speakers, etc.
Was not all this a hassle? The new MAC does not have a traditional A or B USB right? No headphone jack right? I would have to purchase a new backup drives, new USB drives, etc...
How did you overcome all this hassle?
I was scared of the learning curve, but it is minimal at worst. I had never touched a Mac before recently.
Things just work like they're supposed to, it's nothing like windows. You'll never need to hunt for drivers and nonsense like that. It's very intuitive to find the settings that you're looking for to get things setup the way that you want. I'd almost say there isn't really a learning curve.

My new MacBook Pro only came with Thunderbolt/USB-C ports which I was dreading. I simply bought a highly rated USB-C hub and every device that I have plugs into that and all just works when you turn it on. No installing drivers, configuring this or that, etc......Just plug your stuff in and use it.

If you use an iPhone, moving to a Mac pays dividends. SOOOOOO much easier than using iTunes and Windows.

I had mine setup the way that I wanted it and using all of my devices in less than 2 hours. The cost, but mostly the learning curve made me a Windows hostage until I could no longer take it. Now I wish I'd have switched years ago. The $$$ is WELL worth it IMO.
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Apple works because it is not all-inclusive like Windows. So many corporations rely on Win10 to keep the lights on. When you have the kind of interoperability that windows offers, there will always be issues. It would be interesting to see what % of processing happens on windows vs mac...of course no marketer ever would release that info graphic.



I've found that with windows architecture, you can hunt, peck, wait and DIY to resolve the issue, and for Apple you can just spend more money, or do less.



A good example is the headphone jack deal. Once example that comes to mind is the $12 headphone adapter you now need to buy to listen to music on an iphone using what always has been the standard for audio...a 3.5mm jack.


Of course bluetooth is an option, but that is one example. At work, we have all these stupid little dongles, and adapters, and converters for anything MAC just to work in our architecture.
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I have been trying out Manjaro Linux on a machine from 2010. Put a $20 SSD and Manjaro and you would never know it was an old machine. Very fast and CPU usage is so low compared to what Windows was doing with it.


The Dell PC I have that has been replaced by an iMac as my primary desktop will be wiped and replaced by a Linux distro. The hardware is a decade old but working and I think your observation that Linux can rejuvenate things is correct.

Iíll be using it to digitize things with software like Audacity.
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I read these posts all the time and am unsure what is happening. I started using PCs when they first came out in 1981. I have never had an OS problem and upgraded probably hundreds of times. I have never had a problem.
I have had 5 hard drives crash on me, a video card go out and two motherboards with capacitor problems. Hardware is what I worry about, I never worry about software.
However, I usually have fairly new computers from better manufactures.
I think you have keyed on an important point. When you buy a recent vintage middle-of-the-road system from [fill in a mfg], things work well for 3-5 years. That has been my experience. I am very careful with updates and app installs. I look at the various warnings and alerts, and look up troubleshooting information.
My observations of what users can do to systems (from 30+ years of Windows/Mac support), is that they will do what they do. For example, you may think a model can be updated from XP to Win7 to Win10, but there is a lot of risk IMO in the end state. The O/S in any system diverges from the original capability of your purchased hardware. You can overcome a video deficiency, but will likely someday fall victim to obsolescence.
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Microsoft screws up again. The first 1809 update was taken back and a month later they still can't get it right.

Windows 10 1809's new rollout: Mapped drives broken, AMD issues, Trend Micro clash
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Hmmm. I think I must have missed something. I've been doing this for years.
and now, with FlashPeak Slimjet, it's just like using chrome.

I guess there must be risks, but I don't know what they are?
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