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+1 I certainly would not base my tax-deferral strategy on something as unlikely as a consumption tax when there are much more likely alternatives.
+1 I certainly would not base my tax-deferral strategy on something as unlikely as a consumption tax when there are much more likely alternatives.
LTCG and Q-divys are not taxable until you exceed the 15% bracket.
I've heard similar advice elsewhere - use taxable first, then tax deferred, then tax free (Roth) in that order. I think the intention is to defer taxes as long as possible and preserve tax free money most of all. But I agree that this logic is too simple and needs to be adapted based on sizes of accounts and the possibility of RMD (and SS) causing a big tax in later years.
I suppose if RMDs later in life could shift one into the 28% or 33% tax brackets, then it does make sense to consider filling the 25% tax bracket earlier in retirement, even though it boosts the capital gains tax rate. However, I need to understand a bit more about that. If you're $1 over the limit into the 25% tax bracket, do all your LTCG get taxed at 15%. (I think so.) As such, I think it would be really hard to find a scenario where one does have significant taxable investments and could do much better than the "simple" approach of filing the 15% tax bracket as long as you're able. Perhaps an example with numbers will help make the point clearer?
However, I need to understand a bit more about that. If you're $1 over the limit into the 25% tax bracket, do all your LTCG get taxed at 15%. (I think so.)
No, it doesn't. I used to think so, a long time ago, but an expert set me straight.
That portion of your LTCG & dividends that falls into the 15% bracket is not taxed. Only the porttion that is in the 25%+ bracket(s) get taxed.
Add up all your income *except* LTCG and dividends and then subtract deductions/exemptions/adjustments. The difference between that and the top of the 15% bracket is the amount of CG & div that is not taxed.
Example: for 2015, filing as MFJ, pension, SS, STCG, interest, deductions,exemptions,adjustments etc. netting to $40,000, you can have $34,900 ($74, 900 - $40,000) of LTCG & dividends that are not taxed. If you have $35,900, you pay LTCG/div tax on $1,000. 15% of $1000 = $150.
Yes this is possible for some situations. But one with Q-divys and LTCG will also start paying a 30% marginal rate when they exceed the 15% bracket (--- tax on each $ of new ordinary income, STCG, NQ-divy (at the 15% bracket + 15% of the LTCG/Qdivy that is pushed out of the 15% bracket.) So the benefit really has to be weighed on the individual case as you could be paying more tax now than later based on local marginal rates.I suppose if RMDs later in life could shift one into the 28% or 33% tax brackets, then it does make sense to consider filling the 25% tax bracket earlier in retirement, even though it boosts the capital gains tax rate. However, I need to understand a bit more about that. If you're $1 over the limit into the 25% tax bracket, do all your LTCG get taxed at 15%. (I think so.) As such, I think it would be really hard to find a scenario where one does have significant taxable investments and could do much better than the "simple" approach of filing the 15% tax bracket as long as you're able. Perhaps an example with numbers will help make the point clearer?