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03-14-2023, 03:39 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 118
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I would keep the umbrella always because you just never know. My mom's company wouldn't let her keep hers when I took over the car (joint titled with me and cheaper for me to carry the car) so I found her an umbrella at PersonalUmbrella.com for MUCH less than she had been paying. If I remember right she got a $1M policy last year for about $200.
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03-14-2023, 03:42 PM
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#82
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: North
Posts: 4,031
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Originally Posted by COcheesehead
Of course, but you still have to defend.
Here’s the rub they have 55 negative reviews, a D+ rating on the BBB, 6 lawsuits in the last four years and a 1.5 star rating on Yelp and the state still issues them a license.
Most of this data was hidden or former customers did not speak up until our dog’s death. Now everyone knows how bad they are and they blame us.
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Sorry for the loss of your dog. That is terrible. The fact the business you trusted is suing you is just ludicrous.
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03-14-2023, 04:02 PM
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#83
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Portland
Posts: 60
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Originally Posted by Fermion
Amfam has raised our renewal rate yet again for our dinky 1 mil umbrella policy from $420 to $530 coming up this April.
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Shop for Umbrella coverage. The costs for the same policy vary dramatically from one company to another. I've had quotes between $200 and $600 for the same coverage on the same day.
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03-14-2023, 04:09 PM
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#84
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Scottsdale
Posts: 73
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Since you live in Washington state, your retirement funds are protected from a lawsuit. Wash. Rev. Code §6.15.020
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03-14-2023, 04:12 PM
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#85
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Administrator
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 22,973
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We have an umbrella policy with USAA. Ours is $607 for $2 milllion.
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03-14-2023, 04:25 PM
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#86
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Florida's west coast
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We went through this exact discussion earlier this year. We live in Florida for the past eight years, where every other commercial is lawyers telling you to call them in the case of an accident.
What we have seen from our own experience, and what we have seen happen to our friends, is when someone sues, the lawyers always ask “ how much insurance coverage do you have?” Then the lawsuit will proceed using that as the maximum. They don’t want to hurt any individual human being, they just want to hurt the insurance companies.
We are not renewing our umbrella insurance, saving us about $450 a year.
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03-14-2023, 04:57 PM
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#87
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Colorado
Posts: 8,971
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Originally Posted by kgtest
Sorry for the loss of your dog. That is terrible. The fact the business you trusted is suing you is just ludicrous.
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I appreciate it. It’s been one of the most bizarre things we have experienced, but I am glad we have coverage on our homeowners and umbrella. It’s cheap coverage for the black swan events.
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03-14-2023, 05:01 PM
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#88
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsun
Shop for Umbrella coverage. The costs for the same policy vary dramatically from one company to another. I've had quotes between $200 and $600 for the same coverage on the same day.
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Most umbrella policies are attached to an auto policy so you’d have to move that as well.
We have Progressive for auto and home but they dropped their umbrella insurance company and now refer everyone to RLI which I think is the only true stand Alone umbrella insurance company. I think we paid like $500 for a $2 million policy.
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03-14-2023, 05:29 PM
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#89
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Colorado
Posts: 8,971
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meleana
Most umbrella policies are attached to an auto policy so you’d have to move that as well.
We have Progressive for auto and home but they dropped their umbrella insurance company and now refer everyone to RLI which I think is the only true stand Alone umbrella insurance company. I think we paid like $500 for a $2 million policy.
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Interesting. I also have Progressive for auto, home and umbrella. All just renewed within the last month. RLI was never mentioned.
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03-14-2023, 05:32 PM
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#90
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by COcheesehead
Interesting. I also have Progressive for auto, home and umbrella. All just renewed within the last month. RLI was never mentioned.
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I'm assuming it depends on the state you are in. I am in New Hampshire.
(and here auto insurance is not even required except for either liability coverage or proof that you have money to cover an accident- something like that. Of course, you'd be crazy not to have auto insurance. but I guess there's a lot of people here that don't)
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03-14-2023, 06:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meleana
I'm assuming it depends on the state you are in. I am in New Hampshire.
(and here auto insurance is not even required except for either liability coverage or proof that you have money to cover an accident- something like that. Of course, you'd be crazy not to have auto insurance. but I guess there's a lot of people here that don't)
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Isn't the state motto "Live FOR free or die?"
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03-14-2023, 07:13 PM
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#92
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Lexington
Posts: 109
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Lot's of good arguments for keeping your umbrella. I won't drop mine despite having under $300k in non protected assets other than primary home.
But i didn't see anyone mention shopping to reduce the cost. If you've been with the same insurer for two or three years, you may realize substantial savings by switching. There is no benefit to loyalty. Their pricing models penalize inertia.
And I appreciate that business model as a stockholder and customer that shops my policy every 3 years and frequently changes insurers. It's the same as always, the lazy shoppers subsidize the cheapskates with time to shop.
Develop a system to streamline the process. I like sending last year's policy documents with all pricing to the competition and ask for a better quote with all correspondence by email. Absolutely no phone calls accepted! And there is usually a better offer.
What is surprising to me is that insurers haven't yet developed a way to identify customers like me and avoid the turnover with more appropriate price increases. Especially when informed that I'm a shopper. Oh well.
Going through this process right now a year earlier than planned since a 24% rate increase after Farmers bought the MetLife property insurance portfolio. Too bad...I really liked the current agent.
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03-14-2023, 08:25 PM
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#93
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Colorado
Posts: 8,971
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyzymurgist
Lot's of good arguments for keeping your umbrella. I won't drop mine despite having under $300k in non protected assets other than primary home.
But i didn't see anyone mention shopping to reduce the cost. If you've been with the same insurer for two or three years, you may realize substantial savings by switching. There is no benefit to loyalty. Their pricing models penalize inertia.
And I appreciate that business model as a stockholder and customer that shops my policy every 3 years and frequently changes insurers. It's the same as always, the lazy shoppers subsidize the cheapskates with time to shop.
Develop a system to streamline the process. I like sending last year's policy documents with all pricing to the competition and ask for a better quote with all correspondence by email. Absolutely no phone calls accepted! And there is usually a better offer.
What is surprising to me is that insurers haven't yet developed a way to identify customers like me and avoid the turnover with more appropriate price increases. Especially when informed that I'm a shopper. Oh well.
Going through this process right now a year earlier than planned since a 24% rate increase after Farmers bought the MetLife property insurance portfolio. Too bad...I really liked the current agent.
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Use an independent agent and let them shop. Keep the agent, drop the carrier.
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03-14-2023, 08:44 PM
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#94
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Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Colorado
Posts: 8,971
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meleana
I'm assuming it depends on the state you are in. I am in New Hampshire.
(and here auto insurance is not even required except for either liability coverage or proof that you have money to cover an accident- something like that. Of course, you'd be crazy not to have auto insurance. but I guess there's a lot of people here that don't)
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Well that’s a little different than your original statement of Progressive referring “everyone” to a third party provider.
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03-14-2023, 09:35 PM
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#95
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by Sunset
Just FYI.
Suburbs North of Chicago, $514 for 2 million coverage.
Two cars with two drivers.
With Allstate.
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That seems to fit pretty well with my $699 for 3 mil. Thanks Sunset.
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03-15-2023, 06:49 AM
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#96
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Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,326
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyzymurgist
What is surprising to me is that insurers haven't yet developed a way to identify customers like me and avoid the turnover with more appropriate price increases. Especially when informed that I'm a shopper. Oh well.
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They'd have to build a model to justify it to the state insurance department since these rates are regulated. An interesting thought, though. There wouldn't be any issue if you could show that people who stay on for years have lower loss rates, and develop a "renewal discount".
I never thought of getting Umbrella from a separate company because of the issues pointed out earlier- you want seamless coverage between the underlying and the umbrella, and you're likely to get the best legal representation form a company with a stake in the entire claim- but RLI is a good company. The CEO is a former manager of mine!
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03-15-2023, 07:01 AM
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#97
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Diablo Valley (SF Bay Area)
Posts: 2,705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
We have an umbrella policy with USAA. Ours is $607 for $2 milllion.
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Wow thats some spread!! I pay USAA $288 and you pay $607 for the same 2m!!
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03-15-2023, 07:21 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Flyover country
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gayl
Wow thats some spread!! I pay USAA $288 and you pay $607 for the same 2m!!
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There are many factors, but much of New England is a high COL area in my opinion, so that's probably the main explanation.
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03-15-2023, 06:31 PM
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#99
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Confused about dryer sheets
Join Date: May 2022
Location: West Bloomfield
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I decided to drop my umbrella policy for a very similar reason. I would wonder if anyone knows of anybody who's had a claim against an umbrella policy.
My guess is there's a reason these policies are so cheap relative to the coverage, and that's because the insurance companies know that the probability of a claim is very small.
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03-15-2023, 06:42 PM
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#100
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Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Colorado
Posts: 8,971
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dflowers1
I decided to drop my umbrella policy for a very similar reason. I would wonder if anyone knows of anybody who's had a claim against an umbrella policy.
My guess is there's a reason these policies are so cheap relative to the coverage, and that's because the insurance companies know that the probability of a claim is very small.
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I know of two: one me and one a friend.
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