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01-21-2023, 06:22 PM
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#101
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Full time employment: Posting here.
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01-21-2023, 08:06 PM
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#102
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,438
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Originally Posted by xlf11
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If $100 for $10k gets you excited, then Fidelity's $100 for $50 should get you much more excited. It's good for new and existing customers who have not done it previously.
https://www.fidelity.com/go/special-offer
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01-21-2023, 08:40 PM
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#103
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 6,699
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Originally Posted by FiveDriver
You can call Fidelity's Customer Service line on a weekend and get a step by step on moving from 'core' to 'FDRXX' or whatever MM you choose.
Fido's 'core' is used to spread out your MM holdings into Bank accounts (maybe for $250K FDIC coverage ?). These are default Settlement accounts. To move money from core to FDRXX, I've done it a few times....but it's good to call CS on a weekend when you can get a tutorial.
Take copious notes.
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You just buy the money market like any other fund. It’s a few clicks and you’re done.
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01-22-2023, 10:43 AM
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#104
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Laurel, MD
Posts: 7,435
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Originally Posted by xlf11
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+3
I didn’t get the email and I don’t see it when I login.
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01-22-2023, 10:52 AM
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#105
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 125
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Originally Posted by jazz4cash
+3
I didn’t get the email and I don’t see it when I login.
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You should be able to enroll with the link with or without email. Marcus makes it easy to track the bonus offer by providing date specific info on the header of your account, so you know when to expect holding and payment dates.
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01-22-2023, 11:33 AM
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#106
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Sunny California
Posts: 1,785
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Quote:
Originally Posted by njhowie
If $100 for $10k gets you excited, then Fidelity's $100 for $50 should get you much more excited. It's good for new and existing customers who have not done it previously.
https://www.fidelity.com/go/special-offer
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I did this deal and opened a cash management account a year or so ago which works great for buying CD's and treasuries. I wish they'd let me use it again to open a Roth account, I have a ton of CD's maturing this year.
I'm pretty sure I've seen offers before where you can use it more than once so I'll wait and see, no rush.
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01-22-2023, 02:24 PM
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#107
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Full time employment: Posting here.
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Redmond
Posts: 761
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Originally Posted by xlf11
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I did the math. I recently took my account down to <$50 and put most of it in t-bills and FZDXX at Fido. With a $100 in 3 months on $10K that is an extra 4% over the 3.4% I was getting on the $50. So moving $10K made a lot of sense for the 90 days, getting a APR of 7.4%!
Since I ran of out of referrals to get the 1% bonus, I abandoned Marcus for Fido. Even if I had someone who wanted a referral, the MM FZDXX is paying the same, just not FDIC.
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01-22-2023, 03:01 PM
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#108
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Seattle
Posts: 395
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I actually find it pretty reprehensible that a financial advisor would recommend a MYGA in an IRA. Maybe I've been brainwashed by bogleheads. When does fiduciary responsiblility kick in.
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01-22-2023, 03:17 PM
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#109
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Florida's First Coast
Posts: 6,597
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4legsgood
Maybe I've been brainwashed by bogleheads. When does fiduciary responsibility kick in.
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Stick with A++ companies and you will be golden.
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01-23-2023, 07:39 AM
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#110
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,383
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4legsgood
I actually find it pretty reprehensible that a financial advisor would recommend a MYGA in an IRA. Maybe I've been brainwashed by bogleheads. When does fiduciary responsiblility kick in.
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My MYGA is in an IRA. Why is this bad? It's just part of my cash position within my IRA. No different than a CD, MM, Etc.
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01-23-2023, 07:42 AM
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#111
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Location: Florida's First Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickA5
My MYGA is in an IRA. Why is this bad? It's just part of my cash position within my IRA. No different than a CD, MM, Etc.
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Not bad, only that a MYGA is already tax deferred in its own right. It would be more appropriate in a Taxable account, assuming one wanted or needed tax deferred income.
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01-23-2023, 08:05 AM
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#112
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Seattle
Posts: 395
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickA5
My MYGA is in an IRA. Why is this bad? It's just part of my cash position within my IRA. No different than a CD, MM, Etc.
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I rethink based on opinions here, my instinct is it's already tax deferred, but if the rates are better than CD's and there's confidence in the company, it does make sense.
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01-23-2023, 08:05 AM
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#113
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,438
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickA5
My MYGA is in an IRA. Why is this bad? It's just part of my cash position within my IRA. No different than a CD, MM, Etc.
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Pay no attention. I get the same response when I buy tax free munis in my IRA. At the time, for the equivalent maturity, for the equivalent rating/risk, the tax free muni had a better yield/return than the alternatives - so why not?
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01-23-2023, 08:17 AM
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#114
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Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 6,699
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Generally putting a tax advantaged investment in an already tax advantaged account isn’t recommended - there are exceptions of course.
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01-23-2023, 08:18 AM
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#115
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,383
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShokWaveRider
Not bad, only that a MYGA is already tax deferred in its own right. It would be more appropriate in a Taxable account, assuming one wanted or needed tax deferred income.
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Right. I really couldn't care less about tax deferral. While a MYGA might be better in a taxable account for tax deferred income, I don't think an advisor making that suggestion for an IRA is way out of line. Just one option of many and much better than selling some kind of indexed annuity.
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01-23-2023, 08:25 AM
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#116
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickA5
Right. I really couldn't care less about tax deferral. While a MYGA might be better in a taxable account for tax deferred income, I don't think an advisor making that suggestion for an IRA is way out of line. Just one option of many and much better than selling some kind of indexed annuity.
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A tax advantaged investment already reflects its nature, usually providing a lower return because of its superior tax status. So putting it into a deferred account likely is giving you a below market return.
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01-23-2023, 09:28 AM
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#117
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sarasota, FL & Vermont
Posts: 33,553
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Quote:
Originally Posted by njhowie
Pay no attention. I get the same response when I buy tax free munis in my IRA. At the time, for the equivalent maturity, for the equivalent rating/risk, the tax free muni had a better yield/return than the alternatives - so why not?
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Originally Posted by COcheesehead
Generally putting a tax advantaged investment in an already tax advantaged account isn’t recommended - there are exceptions of course.
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+1 to both. Generally I don't like to put tax-deferred or tax-free investments in a tax-deferred or tax-free account, BUT if the yield is just as good or better all else being equal, then why not?
The fact that those situtions can occur sort out gives the notion of an efficient market a kick in the pants though.
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01-23-2023, 09:31 AM
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#118
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,438
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pb4uski
The fact that those situtions can occur sort out gives the notion of an efficient market a kick in the pants though.
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Absolutely. See it all the time in varying scenarios.
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01-23-2023, 11:43 AM
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#119
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,383
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Quote:
Originally Posted by COcheesehead
A tax advantaged investment already reflects its nature, usually providing a lower return because of its superior tax status. So putting it into a deferred account likely is giving you a below market return.
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At the time I bought the MYGA it was much higher than equivalent CD's and MM were zero.
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Best CD, MM Rates & Bank Special Deals Thread 2023 - Please post updates here
01-23-2023, 06:59 PM
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#120
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Laurel, MD
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Best CD, MM Rates & Bank Special Deals Thread 2023 - Please post updates here
Putting a tax deferred instrument in a tax deferred account is one of those generalities that just don’t hold up in every situation. You have to do the math (Surprise!). I’m glad several have already pushed back on this. I know the MYGAs I purchased in my IRA were way higher than even brokered CDs when I bought them. Certainly not a reprehensible idea.
EDIT: An additional point is that an annuitant may choose NOT to defer taxes if they wish to take income from the MYGA (for most contracts.)
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