kumquat
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Seems the senate is getting the message:
reportonbusiness.com: U.S. Senate agrees to soften 'Buy American' plan
reportonbusiness.com: U.S. Senate agrees to soften 'Buy American' plan
I've only heard that wind is cheaper after the govt (we) pay for part of it from another pocket, and then pretend we didn't really do that.
So, if wind energy is part of the stimulus package, doesn't that mean that we are spending money (that we don't have) to make electricity more expensive for people? Does that make any sense in an *economic* stimulus package?
-ERD50
Most of the cost of wind energy is the initial cost of building the windmills. After that it's just maintenance. If the gov't borrows the money to subsidize the construction, the future out-of-pocket costs for electricity consumers can be the same or less than the cost of coal.
Exactly. I just threw out the digging holes to make a point. And I'm questioning if some of these green initiatives are the best use of the money. I don't expect perfection, but some reasonable analysis should go into spending billions.Building windmills and power lines is certainly better than digging holes and filling them up. The question is whether it's better than other things (roads, schools, houses, cars) that could be built with the stimulus money.
Some of your statements make it sound like you don't think much of American manufacturers. When you speak against "buy American" and level playing fields, don't forget that many foreign manufacturers such as Japanese autos and Chinese steel are subsidized by their governments. Don't talk to me about level playing fields.
Aren't you falling victim to the "shell game" here?
If the gov't borrows the money to subsidize the construction (of wind power), the future out-of-pocket costs for electricity will include paying back that money that was borrowed, plus interest.
I think we agree that we should still look for the best bang for the buck. First, we want to reverse the economic cycle, then we want to get as much as we can out of the borrowing/spending we're going to do.
I figure that anything with a great ROI would have been done already by private business, just because it was a good investment.
I think that depends on how long it took for the ROI to be realized. Many businesses (especially publicly traded ones) tend to be very focused on this quarter, and if the "payoff" from an investment might take a couple years or more to realize, they won't do it.I figure that anything with a great ROI would have been done already by private business, just because it was a good investment.