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In my opinion fewer will be able to ER in the USA in the future due to a reduction in the ways in which they can obtain their goals. Some might say that this is an injustice of some sort. I look at it from a different point of view.
Prior to WWII ER was not an option form most except for the wealthy. Social Security was enacted to in an attempt help the old from being destitute. The idea of ER or even a funded retirement is unusual in history. (The Roman legions did have a system - again unusual.)
The post WWII generation - those who are about 50 now might be the last (except for government workers who still have the plans eliminated by business) who can realistically ER in relatively comfort. In other words this generation* will be unique in history. It is the generation that will be pointed to as people say - my father/mother was able to retire at 50. Just as we said my father worked with the same company for 30 years (that is unusual in history also).
*Pinning it down a bit more it is the first half of the baby boomers (born prior to about 1956) and their parents are the people. They rode the wave of post WWII prosperity and population growth.
Why is all that will follow not have the same potential for ER as we did? Because they do not have the same options to save as we did.
(clarification - Those of us in our 50's and older had some if not all of the items below - those that follow will not)
While working
Defined pension plans
401K with company matches
Low or no medical plans contributions
Low or no house appreciation - a large portion of saving for many
Low global competition
Government
Low taxes of all kinds - income, corporate
Lower limits to SS and medicare contributions while working
After stop working
Relatively low income taxes
SS & medcare benefits secure
So those that are working towards ER need to plan their finances without counting on the above ways to save money and income streams. LBYM, tax avoidance, career advancement, and other means must be found to meet your goal.
I see tougher times for all wokers and those out of work for a very long time.
Wages, stagnate, benefits continue to be eliminated
Workers must work more years to live in the face of declining opportunities
Like many I did not think this housing mortgage crises would be this sevear. I did think the results we are seeing now would happen; but years in the future - I thought I would be OK.
My spread sheet calculation tell me I will still be OK but I'm less sure of that.
I disagree with the comment below - it is a sign of the individual not planning for their graying. But more than that it is a sign of unreasonable financial and life style expectations. This is not to blame the victum. In this situation the person is a victum and a victumizer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/y...retire.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=todayspaper
"To many retirement policy specialists, the lost contributions are one more sign of America’s failure as a society to face up to the graying of the population and the profound economic forces it will unleash."
Prior to WWII ER was not an option form most except for the wealthy. Social Security was enacted to in an attempt help the old from being destitute. The idea of ER or even a funded retirement is unusual in history. (The Roman legions did have a system - again unusual.)
The post WWII generation - those who are about 50 now might be the last (except for government workers who still have the plans eliminated by business) who can realistically ER in relatively comfort. In other words this generation* will be unique in history. It is the generation that will be pointed to as people say - my father/mother was able to retire at 50. Just as we said my father worked with the same company for 30 years (that is unusual in history also).
*Pinning it down a bit more it is the first half of the baby boomers (born prior to about 1956) and their parents are the people. They rode the wave of post WWII prosperity and population growth.
Why is all that will follow not have the same potential for ER as we did? Because they do not have the same options to save as we did.
(clarification - Those of us in our 50's and older had some if not all of the items below - those that follow will not)
While working
Defined pension plans
401K with company matches
Low or no medical plans contributions
Low or no house appreciation - a large portion of saving for many
Low global competition
Government
Low taxes of all kinds - income, corporate
Lower limits to SS and medicare contributions while working
After stop working
Relatively low income taxes
SS & medcare benefits secure
So those that are working towards ER need to plan their finances without counting on the above ways to save money and income streams. LBYM, tax avoidance, career advancement, and other means must be found to meet your goal.
I see tougher times for all wokers and those out of work for a very long time.
Wages, stagnate, benefits continue to be eliminated
Workers must work more years to live in the face of declining opportunities
Like many I did not think this housing mortgage crises would be this sevear. I did think the results we are seeing now would happen; but years in the future - I thought I would be OK.
My spread sheet calculation tell me I will still be OK but I'm less sure of that.
I disagree with the comment below - it is a sign of the individual not planning for their graying. But more than that it is a sign of unreasonable financial and life style expectations. This is not to blame the victum. In this situation the person is a victum and a victumizer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/y...retire.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=todayspaper
"To many retirement policy specialists, the lost contributions are one more sign of America’s failure as a society to face up to the graying of the population and the profound economic forces it will unleash."
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