Thanks everyone let me clarify:
I had 5 or so mutual fund investments with firm A. Firm B including its mutual funds was sold to firm B. Then I transferred from B to online broker. So first point:
In December of 2013 I called firm B and they gave me the cost basis for all but one or two of the five investments (actually two merged so I guess all but one) and I did not need the cost basis for the others so I didn't worry about it at the time.
In 2015 firm B keeps claiming "ask your brokerage firm, they have it" which is wrong on two counts:
1) As the online broker has told me weeks ago, they don't keep anything before 2012...
2) But firm B's claim that "ah well we had that info but we stopped keeping it when it was transferred to your broker" is wrong not only because of 1) but also because the transfer was in 2008, so their claim is obviously false given that firm B had that info in Dec 2013 (even though the transfer was back in 2008).
So no, I'm not blaming the broker for the error of firm B. And I'm not even blaming the broker for not having all the cost basis. I was and am disappointed (which is one level less than blaming) that they don't have the value on the date of transfer (I don't know the number of shares on the date of transfer because of dividends reinvested....yes, I guess I can estimate, by ignoring that dividends were reinvested, and then using the estimated number of shares in 2008, I'd look up historical price and have the value on date transferred)
Now for anothe rmutual fund company Q that did get me the info, Scottrade automatically calculates the new cost basis from all the years of dividend reinvestments...so you'd think Scottrade could at least (do I don't have to add by hand from the last 7? years) tell me "45.637 shares were added from dividends reinvested" so I can subtract that from today's number of shares, and then I'd know the number of shares in 2008, look up the historical price etc..
But that's not the part that seems dishonest..it's company B, that in 2013 said, "no problem, here's the cost basis for these three funds that way back in 2008 you transferred to Scottrade" but in 2015 not only claims it doesn't have it for the last mutual funds, but claims that "of course" Scottrade is the one that's supposed to have that cost basis info...which is wrong on both counts 1) and 2) and even dishonest
Now that I've clarified what and who I'm unhappy with...let me restate my question to this board more precisely
I'd like to know what IRS requires. And secondly, what IRS's penalty size would be? It is a small amount I think 5,000 or not much more, so the penalty isn't going to be huge, what
a. what are the rules? (to the person who said "if the mutual fund doesn't have it, then IRS can't blame you for not having it"...well don't you wonder given then less than honest responses, maybe if IRS leaned on them they would feel the heat and discover that they do have it after all..then IRS would be asking me why I didn't have it...my word versus mutual fund)
b. what penalties? And even if panelty is financially small,
c. is it a blemish on one's record? I mean even a $1 penalty, if I'm put on some "fishy taxpayer" list by IRS, that's not great..
Any lawyer types here? Though this board seems to have a ton of people with expertise even if you're not a lawyer if you have info, I'd sure appreciate it.
Then I can sleep at night knowing I can estimate and it's not going to snowball into something like b. or even c. that's unpleasant..
Thx!
I had 5 or so mutual fund investments with firm A. Firm B including its mutual funds was sold to firm B. Then I transferred from B to online broker. So first point:
In December of 2013 I called firm B and they gave me the cost basis for all but one or two of the five investments (actually two merged so I guess all but one) and I did not need the cost basis for the others so I didn't worry about it at the time.
In 2015 firm B keeps claiming "ask your brokerage firm, they have it" which is wrong on two counts:
1) As the online broker has told me weeks ago, they don't keep anything before 2012...
2) But firm B's claim that "ah well we had that info but we stopped keeping it when it was transferred to your broker" is wrong not only because of 1) but also because the transfer was in 2008, so their claim is obviously false given that firm B had that info in Dec 2013 (even though the transfer was back in 2008).
So no, I'm not blaming the broker for the error of firm B. And I'm not even blaming the broker for not having all the cost basis. I was and am disappointed (which is one level less than blaming) that they don't have the value on the date of transfer (I don't know the number of shares on the date of transfer because of dividends reinvested....yes, I guess I can estimate, by ignoring that dividends were reinvested, and then using the estimated number of shares in 2008, I'd look up historical price and have the value on date transferred)
Now for anothe rmutual fund company Q that did get me the info, Scottrade automatically calculates the new cost basis from all the years of dividend reinvestments...so you'd think Scottrade could at least (do I don't have to add by hand from the last 7? years) tell me "45.637 shares were added from dividends reinvested" so I can subtract that from today's number of shares, and then I'd know the number of shares in 2008, look up the historical price etc..
But that's not the part that seems dishonest..it's company B, that in 2013 said, "no problem, here's the cost basis for these three funds that way back in 2008 you transferred to Scottrade" but in 2015 not only claims it doesn't have it for the last mutual funds, but claims that "of course" Scottrade is the one that's supposed to have that cost basis info...which is wrong on both counts 1) and 2) and even dishonest
Now that I've clarified what and who I'm unhappy with...let me restate my question to this board more precisely
I'd like to know what IRS requires. And secondly, what IRS's penalty size would be? It is a small amount I think 5,000 or not much more, so the penalty isn't going to be huge, what
a. what are the rules? (to the person who said "if the mutual fund doesn't have it, then IRS can't blame you for not having it"...well don't you wonder given then less than honest responses, maybe if IRS leaned on them they would feel the heat and discover that they do have it after all..then IRS would be asking me why I didn't have it...my word versus mutual fund)
b. what penalties? And even if panelty is financially small,
c. is it a blemish on one's record? I mean even a $1 penalty, if I'm put on some "fishy taxpayer" list by IRS, that's not great..
Any lawyer types here? Though this board seems to have a ton of people with expertise even if you're not a lawyer if you have info, I'd sure appreciate it.
Then I can sleep at night knowing I can estimate and it's not going to snowball into something like b. or even c. that's unpleasant..
Thx!
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