Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-08-2016, 02:54 PM   #21
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,441
Quote:
Originally Posted by haha View Post
Do you make your own sauerkraut?

I think sauerkraut that you can buy in a supermarket has no live organisms that might help gut health.

ha
Store bought has worked well enough for me. It seems to be feeding the good intestinal bacteria already there. If needed, active-culture yogurt can introduce more good bacteria though I wonder what percentage survives all the way to the large intestine.
GrayHare is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 12-08-2016, 03:36 PM   #22
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kerrville,Tx
Posts: 3,327
Note that as suggested above and in many news postings the life expectancy of 45-54 year old non college educated whites has appeared to decrease due to booze and opium (oxycodicne and hydrocodine etc) pills recently.
meierlde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 03:37 PM   #23
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,551
Probably being caused by too much medical treatment. People who are not sick but there is money is treating a condition so more people are told they need drugs for a disease they don't have or might get 30 years from now.

I know this is exactly how I was treated until I got wise and stopped seeing doctors when they wanted to see me. My health improved and my medical bills plummeted. Sick and dying at 29. healthy as a g/d horse and not suspiciously still not dead at 60. Drugs have consequences and unnecessary drugs have the same consequences. Most people for all the crabbing they do about health care seem to lionize doctors and lack a healthy skepticism.
razztazz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 03:45 PM   #24
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Mr._Graybeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by samclem View Post
And differences in how live births are counted.

There's no need to look at unknown/fringe causes for declines in US longevity, the problems are well known. The increase in opiod-related deaths is a factor not mentioned in the article that may be playing a part.
Suicides are also up, about 20% between 2005 and 2014. https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
Mr._Graybeard is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 03:52 PM   #25
Moderator
braumeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Flyover country
Posts: 19,249
Good stats here:

FastStats - Deaths and Mortality
braumeister is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 05:41 PM   #26
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 23,642
Quote:
Originally Posted by haha View Post
Do you make your own sauerkraut?

I think sauerkraut that you can buy in a supermarket has no live organisms that might help gut health.

ha
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayHare View Post
Store bought has worked well enough for me. It seems to be feeding the good intestinal bacteria already there. If needed, active-culture yogurt can introduce more good bacteria though I wonder what percentage survives all the way to the large intestine.
Grayhare - the store bought has no live organisms in it, it is pasteurized as part of the canning/bottling process.

If it has helped you it isn't due to any probiotics. And cooking home made sauerkraut is gonna wipe out the live stuff too. But the Vitamin C takes some time to breakdown, so it could still be a good source of that.

I started making my own sauerkraut in small batches. It's easy, but I just don't eat much cold/raw, so I doubt I get any real benefit, so it's probably not even worth the small amount of work it takes, other than just to do it to do it.

-ERD50
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 06:11 PM   #27
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,845
Quote:
Originally Posted by haha View Post
Do you make your own sauerkraut?

I think sauerkraut that you can buy in a supermarket has no live organisms that might help gut health.

ha
The kimchi I get at the supermarket still has live organisms in it. It is very fizzy when you first open it. I use it as a condiment and find it easier to include in my diet than sauerkraut.
__________________
46 years old, single, no kids. Exited the job market in 2010 (age 36). Have lived solely off my investments since 2015 (age 41). No pensions.
Current AA: real estate 64% / equities 10% / fixed income 16% / cash 10%
FIREd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 06:46 PM   #28
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Alberta/Ontario/ Arizona
Posts: 3,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredunder50 View Post
Has U.S. life expectancy maxed out? Decline is first in decades



It’s sad that given all the money we spend on health care, we are only number 43 out of 224 countries for life expectancy.
More than sad. Shocking, embarrassing, and scandalous, given the resources spent on health care.
Danmar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 07:03 PM   #29
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,441
Quote:
Originally Posted by ERD50 View Post
Grayhare - the store bought has no live organisms in it, it is pasteurized as part of the canning/bottling process.
That's OK since the idea behind sauerkraut isn't to introduce live organisms but rather feed the existing ones. The good intestinal bacteria like an acidic environment: acidophilus.
GrayHare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 07:06 PM   #30
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Senator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Williston, FL
Posts: 3,925
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danmar View Post
More than sad. Shocking, embarrassing, and scandalous, given the resources spent on health care.
Maybe the reason we spend so much on healthcare is we are so out of shape. Could it be that if we were in shape, it would not only be cheaper, it would lead to a longer lifespan.
__________________
FIRE no later than 7/5/2016 at 56 (done), securing '16 401K match (done), getting '15 401K match (done), LTI Bonus (done), Perf bonus (done), maxing out 401K (done), picking up 1,000 hours to get another year of pension (done), July 1st benefits (vacation day, healthcare) (done), July 4th holiday. 0 days left. (done) OFFICIALLY RETIRED 7/5/2016!!
Senator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 07:50 PM   #31
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,113
We put it down to prevalence of obesity, fast foods, prepared foods, and junk foods. That and the combo of no exercise/physical activity. We are constantly amazed at how large the portions are in so many restaurants and how they like to pile on the french fries. Yuk.
brett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 08:16 PM   #32
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
walkinwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 3,235
Margin of error anyone?
walkinwood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 09:03 PM   #33
gone traveling
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,375
Helps the Social Security Trust Fund stay solvent.
gerntz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 09:31 PM   #34
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
robnplunder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 2,726
I welcome the shorter life expectancy. The world population increase is out of control. We are running out of resource. I say live shorter but happier.
__________________
I did it .... my way.
robnplunder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 10:07 PM   #35
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 30,524
Quote:
Originally Posted by ERD50 View Post
Grayhare - the store bought has no live organisms in it, it is pasteurized as part of the canning/bottling process.

If it has helped you it isn't due to any probiotics. And cooking home made sauerkraut is gonna wipe out the live stuff too. But the Vitamin C takes some time to breakdown, so it could still be a good source of that.

I started making my own sauerkraut in small batches. It's easy, but I just don't eat much cold/raw, so I doubt I get any real benefit, so it's probably not even worth the small amount of work it takes, other than just to do it to do it.

-ERD50
You can find store bought sauerkraut with live organisms.
__________________
Retired since summer 1999.
audreyh1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 10:33 PM   #36
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
powerplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,572
Quote:
Originally Posted by audreyh1 View Post
You can find store bought sauerkraut with live organisms.
Yes, Bubbies is a good one. It needs to be kept cold so has not been heated and canned. There are other brands with live organisms. The prices are generally higher on the fresh stuff.
powerplay is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 08:06 AM   #37
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
kcowan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pacific latitude 20/49
Posts: 7,463
Send a message via Skype™ to kcowan
Obesity has been around for 20+ years. What is new in the last year or two?

Drug overdoses?
Mass shootings?
Obamacare?
Prices for essential drugs?

It has to be something recent?
__________________
For the fun of it...Keith
kcowan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 08:14 AM   #38
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Amethyst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 10,454
Not to mention breathing air that is 78% nitrogen. The government should do something!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelB View Post
Could be. Could also be opioids, as Samclem mentioned. There's a strong correlation with dihydrogen monoxide, so that's my guess.
__________________
If you understood everything I say, you'd be me ~ Miles Davis
'There is only one success – to be able to spend your life in your own way.’ Christopher Morley.
It involved a mannequin hand, and an electric shaver taped to a golf club! - "The Other Guys"
Amethyst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 08:17 AM   #39
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
REWahoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Texas: No Country for Old Men
Posts: 48,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amethyst View Post
Not to mention breathing air that is 78% nitrogen. The government should do something!
Not gonna happen as long as all those highly vocal global nitrogenation deniers have their say.
__________________
Numbers is hard

Retired in 2005 at age 58, no pension
REWahoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 08:41 AM   #40
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 30,524
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcowan View Post
Obesity has been around for 20+ years. What is new in the last year or two?

Drug overdoses?
Mass shootings?
Obamacare?
Prices for essential drugs?

It has to be something recent?
Good point!
__________________
Retired since summer 1999.
audreyh1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Polymeal: Increase your life expectancy by 6.5 years wabmester Other topics 22 06-20-2007 11:15 AM
Underweight & correlation to life expectancy wildcat Health and Early Retirement 16 11-26-2006 06:02 PM
life expectancy JJac FIRE and Money 51 11-26-2006 08:01 AM
U.S. Life Expectancy Hits All-Time High MJ FIRE and Money 1 12-08-2005 03:37 PM
Life Expectancy Quiz Cut-Throat Other topics 10 02-27-2004 02:43 PM

» Quick Links

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:55 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.