Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-09-2016, 09:00 AM   #41
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Nemo2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 8,368
Every morning, when I wake up, I have this ominous premonition that my life expectancy has been shortened by one axial rotation.......perhaps I'm just paranoid?
__________________
"Exit, pursued by a bear."

The Winter's Tale, William Shakespeare
Nemo2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 12-09-2016, 09:04 AM   #42
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 281
This decline in life expectancy correlates with the Gluten free craze. Coincidence?
Shanky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:05 AM   #43
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,113
Not much difference during first two weeks, including hospital care between US and Finland/Austria (best in class)

Substantial differences between states. Very substantial differences between best in class countries and USA at age one based on socio/economic status and access to health care.
brett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:20 AM   #44
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
photoguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,301
What are the organisms that are supposed to be in sauerkraut and kimchi? Are they the same and how do they get there?

A very long time ago, probably when my mother was feeling ambitious, she made kimchi but I don't recall her adding any kind of starter culture.


Sent from my iPad using Early Retirement Forum
photoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:28 AM   #45
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
REWahoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Texas: No Country for Old Men
Posts: 48,189
Here ya go: Metagenomic Analysis of Kimchi
__________________
Numbers is hard

Retired in 2005 at age 58, no pension
REWahoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:34 AM   #46
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
ivinsfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,869
Quote:
Originally Posted by haha View Post
Do you make your own sauerkraut?

I think sauerkraut that you can buy in a supermarket has no live organisms that might help gut health.

ha
So buy your sauerkraut fresh in the deli or meat department..usually comes in 2 lb bags.
ivinsfan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:34 AM   #47
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Koogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: GTA
Posts: 1,686
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo2 View Post
Every morning, when I wake up, I have this ominous premonition that my life expectancy has been shortened by one axial rotation.......perhaps I'm just paranoid?
Quit sleeping on top of the axle and you'll be fine.

Or, put it in reverse and you'll be a toddler in no time...

__________________
Family Motto: "Every penny's a prisoner"
Koogie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:36 AM   #48
Administrator
MichaelB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Chicagoland again!
Posts: 35,277
Quote:
Originally Posted by REWahoo View Post
Dang, and all this time I thought it was a Korean version of the gnomic elves characters that put the "snap crackle and pop" in Rice Krispies.
MichaelB is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:39 AM   #49
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Big_Hitter's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Les Bois
Posts: 5,687
so does kimchi have natural probios in it?
__________________
You can't be a retirement plan actuary without a retirement plan, otherwise you lose all credibility...
Big_Hitter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 09:46 AM   #50
gone traveling
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,375
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanky View Post
This decline in life expectancy correlates with the Gluten free craze. Coincidence?
Probably more so with Glutten.
gerntz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 10:31 AM   #51
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,441
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcowan View Post
Obesity has been around for 20+ years. What is new in the last year or two?
Since obesity doesn't kill quickly perhaps it's now beginning to claim more lives.
GrayHare is offline   Reply With Quote
Declining life expectancy
Old 12-09-2016, 10:35 AM   #52
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
GravitySucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Syracuse
Posts: 3,044
Declining life expectancy

Quote:
Originally Posted by REWahoo View Post


Wait, this paper is real science. I thought all nutrition information on the web is supposed to be based on anecdotal evidence and fear mongering. (e.g. FoodBabe.com)
__________________
“No, not rich. I am a poor man with money, which is not the same thing"
GravitySucks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 10:37 AM   #53
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 30,524
Quote:
Originally Posted by photoguy View Post
What are the organisms that are supposed to be in sauerkraut and kimchi? Are they the same and how do they get there?

A very long time ago, probably when my mother was feeling ambitious, she made kimchi but I don't recall her adding any kind of starter culture.


Sent from my iPad using Early Retirement Forum
Probiotics - a.k.a gut flora (bacteria). Naturally occurring in fermented foods.
__________________
Retired since summer 1999.
audreyh1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 10:49 AM   #54
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 23,642
RE: 'live' versus pasteurized sauerkraut and kimchee

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayHare View Post
That's OK since the idea behind sauerkraut isn't to introduce live organisms but rather feed the existing ones. The good intestinal bacteria like an acidic environment: acidophilus.
I really doubt that eating some sauerkraut is gonna affect your stomach acidity enough and long enough to matter. The proponents claim it is the organisms, but we need some science here rather than speculation and anecdotes.

http://foodsafety.wisc.edu/business_...oximate_ph.pdf

Lower numbers are more acidic:

Sauerkraut 3.30-3.60

Apple – McIntosh 3.34

Apple – Jonathan 3.33

Apple Sauce 3.10-3.60

Plums, Blue 2.80-3.40

Blueberries, frozen 3.11-3.22

Pomegranate 2.93-3.20

Wines 2.8 - 3.8

Grapes, Concord 2.80-3.00

Lemon juice 2.00-2.60

and from wiki: The pH of gastric acid is 1.5 to 3.5[2] in the human stomach lumen, the acidity being maintained by the proton pump H+/K+ ATPase.

I'm pretty sure our feedback mechanisms are going to control our stomach pH, not so much the food we eat.



Quote:
Originally Posted by audreyh1 View Post
You can find store bought sauerkraut with live organisms.
Quote:
Originally Posted by powerplay View Post
Yes, Bubbies is a good one. It needs to be kept cold so has not been heated and canned. There are other brands with live organisms. The prices are generally higher on the fresh stuff.
I know they have bagged kraut in the fridge section of our market, whether it is live or not, I do not know. I'll note the brand next time and look it up, I don't think the package said anything.

And for those asking about the process - the probiotics naturally occur on the cabbage leaves and in the air (lacto-bacillus mainly). Nothing is added, other than salt (at least when made at home). I read that inoculating it doesn't work out so well, as there are stages the bugs go through. And kimchee is the same in this regard, but it has added spices, some other veggies (dikon radish mainly), and usually some form of fish product (dried shrimp, salted, cured fish, and or fish sauce). It's all good!

-ERD50
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 11:11 AM   #55
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,441
Quote:
Originally Posted by ERD50 View Post
I really doubt that eating some sauerkraut is gonna affect your stomach acidity enough and long enough to matter.
Sauerkraut has made significant digestion improvement for me and others as a followup to antibiotic meds. I speculate that compared to softer foods, the relatively "tough" cabbage survives farther into the digestive tract. However if one's digestive imbalance is higher up perhaps yogurt is a better fit. Sauerkraut is easy to try though. In less than 12 hours I can notice the improvement it makes for me.
GrayHare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 11:20 AM   #56
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 22,983
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcowan View Post
Obesity has been around for 20+ years. What is new in the last year or two?

Drug overdoses?
Mass shootings?
Obamacare?
Prices for essential drugs?

It has to be something recent?
How about more obesity, diabetes, and sugar consumption?


Ha
haha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 11:54 AM   #57
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
photoguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,301
Quote:
Originally Posted by REWahoo View Post
Wow that's what I love to see. I'm enough of a geek that I actually read much of the paper.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ERD50 View Post
And for those asking about the process - the probiotics naturally occur on the cabbage leaves and in the air (lacto-bacillus mainly). Nothing is added, other than salt (at least when made at home).
Thanks that was a key thing I didn't understand. I suppose the salts and other ingredients keep other "bad" bacteria from forming.
photoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 12:08 PM   #58
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Nemo2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 8,368
Just got home from the supermarket...ran into a couple that we initially met, (just when he was about to retire as a realtor), some ten years ago, and whom we'd encounter infrequently at the library, or somesuch.

He didn't know who we were, and I suspect she didn't, at this stage, even know what 'knowing' is.....(and she was once very aware & alert).....he was leading her around like a two year old.

Depressed the hell out of me.......life expectancy has to be more than numerics, or what good is it.
__________________
"Exit, pursued by a bear."

The Winter's Tale, William Shakespeare
Nemo2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 01:03 PM   #59
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: The Great Wide Open
Posts: 2,855
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amethyst View Post
Not to mention breathing air that is 78% nitrogen. The government should do something!
I concur; they are some that are extremely worried about a gas that is 0.04% of the atmosphere. And all this kimchi and sauerkraut fermentation may increase it to 0.041%.
Winemaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 03:08 PM   #60
Full time employment: Posting here.
mamadogmamacat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 751
I have not looked for any studies on this, but there has been a lot in the news about death rates from opiod addiction growing in the SE and mid Atlantic states. Primarily among young adults in those regions. if accurate, that would pull the avg age down more so than with growing addiction rates among the middle aged, as an early poster mentioned. Anecdotally, I have a good friend who recently lost a 28 yr old granddaughter to heroin overdose.
mamadogmamacat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Polymeal: Increase your life expectancy by 6.5 years wabmester Other topics 22 06-20-2007 11:15 AM
Underweight & correlation to life expectancy wildcat Health and Early Retirement 16 11-26-2006 06:02 PM
life expectancy JJac FIRE and Money 51 11-26-2006 08:01 AM
U.S. Life Expectancy Hits All-Time High MJ FIRE and Money 1 12-08-2005 03:37 PM
Life Expectancy Quiz Cut-Throat Other topics 10 02-27-2004 02:43 PM

» Quick Links

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:56 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.