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Old 12-08-2016, 01:54 PM   #21
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Do you make your own sauerkraut?

I think sauerkraut that you can buy in a supermarket has no live organisms that might help gut health.

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Store bought has worked well enough for me. It seems to be feeding the good intestinal bacteria already there. If needed, active-culture yogurt can introduce more good bacteria though I wonder what percentage survives all the way to the large intestine.
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Note that as suggested above and in many news postings the life expectancy of 45-54 year old non college educated whites has appeared to decrease due to booze and opium (oxycodicne and hydrocodine etc) pills recently.
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Probably being caused by too much medical treatment. People who are not sick but there is money is treating a condition so more people are told they need drugs for a disease they don't have or might get 30 years from now.

I know this is exactly how I was treated until I got wise and stopped seeing doctors when they wanted to see me. My health improved and my medical bills plummeted. Sick and dying at 29. healthy as a g/d horse and not suspiciously still not dead at 60. Drugs have consequences and unnecessary drugs have the same consequences. Most people for all the crabbing they do about health care seem to lionize doctors and lack a healthy skepticism.
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Old 12-08-2016, 02:45 PM   #24
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And differences in how live births are counted.

There's no need to look at unknown/fringe causes for declines in US longevity, the problems are well known. The increase in opiod-related deaths is a factor not mentioned in the article that may be playing a part.
Suicides are also up, about 20% between 2005 and 2014. https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
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Do you make your own sauerkraut?

I think sauerkraut that you can buy in a supermarket has no live organisms that might help gut health.

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Store bought has worked well enough for me. It seems to be feeding the good intestinal bacteria already there. If needed, active-culture yogurt can introduce more good bacteria though I wonder what percentage survives all the way to the large intestine.
Grayhare - the store bought has no live organisms in it, it is pasteurized as part of the canning/bottling process.

If it has helped you it isn't due to any probiotics. And cooking home made sauerkraut is gonna wipe out the live stuff too. But the Vitamin C takes some time to breakdown, so it could still be a good source of that.

I started making my own sauerkraut in small batches. It's easy, but I just don't eat much cold/raw, so I doubt I get any real benefit, so it's probably not even worth the small amount of work it takes, other than just to do it to do it.

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Do you make your own sauerkraut?

I think sauerkraut that you can buy in a supermarket has no live organisms that might help gut health.

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The kimchi I get at the supermarket still has live organisms in it. It is very fizzy when you first open it. I use it as a condiment and find it easier to include in my diet than sauerkraut.
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Has U.S. life expectancy maxed out? Decline is first in decades



It’s sad that given all the money we spend on health care, we are only number 43 out of 224 countries for life expectancy.
More than sad. Shocking, embarrassing, and scandalous, given the resources spent on health care.
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Grayhare - the store bought has no live organisms in it, it is pasteurized as part of the canning/bottling process.
That's OK since the idea behind sauerkraut isn't to introduce live organisms but rather feed the existing ones. The good intestinal bacteria like an acidic environment: acidophilus.
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More than sad. Shocking, embarrassing, and scandalous, given the resources spent on health care.
Maybe the reason we spend so much on healthcare is we are so out of shape. Could it be that if we were in shape, it would not only be cheaper, it would lead to a longer lifespan.
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We put it down to prevalence of obesity, fast foods, prepared foods, and junk foods. That and the combo of no exercise/physical activity. We are constantly amazed at how large the portions are in so many restaurants and how they like to pile on the french fries. Yuk.
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Margin of error anyone?
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I welcome the shorter life expectancy. The world population increase is out of control. We are running out of resource. I say live shorter but happier.
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Grayhare - the store bought has no live organisms in it, it is pasteurized as part of the canning/bottling process.

If it has helped you it isn't due to any probiotics. And cooking home made sauerkraut is gonna wipe out the live stuff too. But the Vitamin C takes some time to breakdown, so it could still be a good source of that.

I started making my own sauerkraut in small batches. It's easy, but I just don't eat much cold/raw, so I doubt I get any real benefit, so it's probably not even worth the small amount of work it takes, other than just to do it to do it.

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You can find store bought sauerkraut with live organisms.
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You can find store bought sauerkraut with live organisms.
Yes, Bubbies is a good one. It needs to be kept cold so has not been heated and canned. There are other brands with live organisms. The prices are generally higher on the fresh stuff.
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Obesity has been around for 20+ years. What is new in the last year or two?

Drug overdoses?
Mass shootings?
Obamacare?
Prices for essential drugs?

It has to be something recent?
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Not to mention breathing air that is 78% nitrogen. The government should do something!

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Could be. Could also be opioids, as Samclem mentioned. There's a strong correlation with dihydrogen monoxide, so that's my guess.
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Not to mention breathing air that is 78% nitrogen. The government should do something!
Not gonna happen as long as all those highly vocal global nitrogenation deniers have their say.
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