NewToEverything
Dryer sheet wannabe
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Do you buy VG MF or ETF ? Other than the obvious differences (such as lower ER and no minimium for ETF) what else do you look at when deciding between the two ?
Do ETF's allow automatic and free dividend reinvestment (DRIP)?? Is this still true if, for example, you hold a Vanguard ETF in a Fido or whatever account?
I'm in all in mutual funds mainly due to free and automatic dividend reinvestment. Also, I don't "trade", just sell very occasionally to replenish cash reserves for living expenses.
Do ETF's allow automatic and free dividend reinvestment (DRIP)?? Is this still true if, for example, you hold a Vanguard ETF in a Fido or whatever account?
I'm in all in mutual funds mainly due to free and automatic dividend reinvestment. Also, I don't "trade", just sell very occasionally to replenish cash reserves for living expenses.
Can I exchange the MF into ETF without any hassle ?
Vanguard allows one-time recharacterization of MFs to ETFs or ETFs to MFs. You have to contact them and they do it (no online option). I believe that once you've switched, you can't go back, without incurring gains. Sorry, can't answer the rest of your questions.
I think your confusion is due to the fact that there are only small differences between conventional mutual funds and ET Fs. So, for example, my comments on authorized participants were not intended to imply that EFTs were bad. IMO this is a bad aspect but it is a very small consideration. Among the differences, too, are tax considerations for some people in some types of accounts. But again, these are small.Thank you everyone.
For some of us who are financially-illiterate due to family time constraints, do u guys mind summarizing in even more layman's term about the following ?
When I read the below two articles you guys posted more of my white hair started to grow out... just don't really understand.
1. "Authorized Participants" and thus ETF is no good ?
2. ETF is good because Vanguard figured out a patented way to "even out" the gains by someone else doing some buying ?? Is that what it's talking about ?
At the end of the day, is it a mistake to invest in MF (VTSAX) instead of ETF in my taxable account ? Since the ER is 0.04% vs. 0.03%, would this be a major difference in the future ? Is there a calculator to assess the impact ? Can I exchange the MF into ETF without any hassle ? Should I ?
No.1. "Authorized Participants" and thus ETF is no good ?
No.2. ETF is good because Vanguard figured out a patented way to "even out" the gains by someone else doing some buying ?? Is that what it's talking about ?
No.At the end of the day, is it a mistake to invest in MF (VTSAX) instead of ETF in my taxable account ?
Already answered in posts ##15 & 16.Can I exchange the MF into ETF without any hassle ?
Entirely up to you.Should I ?
Come on, if you don't want people to find your posts confusing, don't obscure things like this. The fee percentage directly translates into dollars that get taken out of your investment. They amount to the same thing.Regarding calculators, https://www.dinkytown.net/ is a place you can probably find what you want. They have a bewildering array of calculators, all free. The math between 0.04% and 0.03% is this: Take the numbers .9996 and .9997 to the power of the number of years you want. If you want two years, its just the number squared. So .9997^2 = .9994 and .9996^2 is .9992. Bottom line, over a long period the difference will still be a small percentage but we don't spend percentages, we spend dollars. So you may consider the difference to be significant for you.
Do you buy VG MF or ETF ? Other than the obvious differences (such as lower ER and no minimium for ETF) what else do you look at when deciding between the two ?
Do ETF's allow automatic and free dividend reinvestment (DRIP)?? Is this still true if, for example, you hold a Vanguard ETF in a Fido or whatever account?
I'm in all in mutual funds mainly due to free and automatic dividend reinvestment. Also, I don't "trade", just sell very occasionally to replenish cash reserves for living expenses.
We own a mix of Vanguard and iShares ETFs, all housed at Fidelity. Reinvestments are commission-free. iShares ETFs trade free at Fidelity, while Vanguard is $4.95 per trade. We only make 2 or 3 trades per year with a 50/50 chance it will incur a $4.95 commission. Vanguard MFs would be quite costly to trade at Fidelity and we have no interest in housing our accounts at Vanguard. We only own ETFs, primarily to avoid year-end capital gain distributions and because ERs are generally lower compared to an equivalent MF.
I apologize for confusing you.Come on, if you don't want people to find your posts confusing, don't obscure things like this. The fee percentage directly translates into dollars that get taken out of your investment. They amount to the same thing.
The math between 0.04% and 0.03% is really simple. On $1M, that 0.01% is $100/yr. It's up to the investor whether that fund that takes $100 more out is providing something useful in return.