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Old 12-20-2020, 06:51 PM   #61
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If I had always known what it is like to be retired, I would have majored in "Pre-Retirement Studies" in college. Then I would have taken a job as "Entry Level Retiree" and worked my way up the retirement ladder, sleeping in later every day and procrastinating more and more as I perfected my retirement skills.
When, after my late wife died, I met DW and moved to Ottawa, (where she functioned as a Software Developer at the time), and she set me up with a family doctor.

The first thing on his checklist was "Are you retired?" I said "Yes & no", to which he responded "It has to be one or the other" - I said "I don't work, but I had nothing to 'retire' from".

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Old 12-20-2020, 08:43 PM   #62
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I can relate to the loss of identity.

My RE was not my idea (I was part of the redundant team after we sold the company) and I had spent 30 years not only as a SVP but had become "Mr [Company Name]"; 60 hour weeks, seldom took vacations, the whole ego-big-pay thing; I was my job.

It took me over 2 years to realize that I was not my job and got to be who I really was.
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Old 12-20-2020, 08:53 PM   #63
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I just tell people I'm unemployed...and then sit back to see how they treat me.
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Old 12-20-2020, 11:11 PM   #64
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Do you know how you told your kid to get a life after high school, or college, ó-find his own meaning and purpose?. Well find your own after retirement.
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Old 12-21-2020, 12:17 AM   #65
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I just tell people I'm unemployed...and then sit back to see how they treat me.
My neighbors think I'm unemployed.... I don't want them to be jealous, so I let them pity me.
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Old 12-21-2020, 07:03 AM   #66
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Do you know how you told your kid to get a life after high school, or college, ó-find his own meaning and purpose?. Well find your own after retirement.


I like that. It was true for me after college and it took me some effort and a few years to get traction. There isnít a menu of obvious choices in FIRE like there was after college, including grad school, law school, get a job, military, etc. or avoid all that and be a ski bum. Finding a direction in this phase seems to require self direction and ďentrepreneurialĒ thinking, which is a new skill set. So far, Iím being the bum enjoyably without the skiing part.
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Old 12-21-2020, 10:22 AM   #67
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Ah, the pain of it all... " ó but there are hard lessons that come with this freedom, such as a loss of identity from leaving the workforce or an unbearable amount of free time. "


Perhaps they can stare at their passport photo page for hours, so they can remember their name, date of birth and likeness.
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I like to brush up my resume and write a five page "Justify your existence" paper every 6 months, like the last 5 years at megacorp when they'd rotate a new V.P. through. Just so I don't lose my identity or have to much free time.
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Whenever I see this thread pop up it cracks me up

"unbearable amount of free time" hahahahaha


please never let this die!


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Whenever I see this thread pop up it cracks me up

"unbearable amount of free time" hahahahaha


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Old 12-21-2020, 06:22 PM   #71
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Most weeks we have to prioritize what would be the most fun because there are so many things we could do. A few years ago I started keeping a log of all our special events and day trips. That's our main retirement hobby. Last week I added it up and there were 377 outings. Would've been more but you know Covid. Some of the top ones were day trips to Napa wineries, day trips to Sonoma wineries, Paula Poundstone, The Fixx, Imagine Dragons, a Halloween party on an aircraft carrier, Brit Floyd, and the play Kinky Boots.

Then there are nice times just hiking locally, spending the day with friends having a beer and pizza in somebody's backyard or working on hobby projects. No unbearable amount of free time here. There's tons to do where we live. Being retired we take advantage of annual passes, previews, Groupons and seat filler memberships making most of it pretty inexpensive, so it is stuff most retiree could afford to do.
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Old 12-22-2020, 05:40 PM   #72
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... But that is not enough. Fire involves extreme austerity, significantly limiting the amount you spend, and saving hard — up to 75 per cent of your income." I can't tell if she really talked to him or if that was poetic license.

https://life.spectator.co.uk/article...rom%20%251%24s
What is "extreme austerity"? Not getting commercial fingernail treatments? Brown-bagging it to work? Carrying a $30 handbag? Meatloaf?

I've said before that I think ER should have a dedicated thread in the FIRE Money Forum, "Dire Warnings Against FIRE" where we can all submit the latest doleful negativity about having financial independence, abundant free time, and lack of stress.
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Old 12-22-2020, 06:56 PM   #73
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Ok, I will be the contrarian. I personally envy all of you who are in complete peace and fulfilled in "retirement". That's exactly where I hope/want to be. That said, I am one of those people who keeps walking to edge of the pool, but not quite ready to jump in, but just sit on the side wading my feet looking at the bottom. While I love the concept of total freedom to design my day everyday, I have also discovered allot of idle time without some level of structure has been challenging. Don't get me wrong, I love the option to do what I want to do when/how I want to do it, but I feel for me, I need a little meat and potatoes to sink my teeth into. This keeps me part time engaged in my business. I suppose this "feeling" will go away over time once I jump in the pool, but I would argue the financial part is the easy part, but the emotional transition can take a min. Jess sayen.........
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Not enough time in the day

I have such an unbearable amount of freedom in retirement that there are not enough hours in the day for me to accomplish all the nothing I would like to.
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Old 12-22-2020, 08:34 PM   #75
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Loss of identity? It wasn't until I was retired for good (6 yeas ago) that I found my TRUE identity. Unbearable amount of free time ROTFLMFAO. I imagine if your work is your life you'd have a huge problem with this (and loss of identity). I didn't suffer from that disease. Every day is a new chance to do something different (or something the same that interests me). Life has never been more interesting. It will get even more interesting post-COVID when we can travel again.
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Old 12-22-2020, 10:03 PM   #76
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I've been spending my pandemic time doing research for a pet and a friend with serious health issues and it has made a positive impact for both. For one I just found a very recent microbiome study that shows the difference in gut bacteria between healthy controls and patients with of the illnesses I've been researching. Then I found tests that can be self ordered for only $100 that tell the patients exactly what bacteria they have now in their microbiomes. After that I looked up all the bacteria that was "off" in the illness microbiome and what foods would likely correct the issues.

It is pretty crazy how the tech field is disrupting main stream medicine these days. I'm glad to have the time to follow their machine learning / AI research to help myself, friends and family. Way cooler than working and filling out TPS reports.
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I get the loss of identity part. I practiced orthopedic surgery for 35 years and I think itís hard not to get tied up in your job. But I feel 5% of the stress I used to have. To me, having a surgery practice seemed like having 10,000 children, any one of which could call with a severe problem at any time. I donít miss having that hanging over me. I have to tell myself that there were good times but also plenty of bad ones, and itís way too easy to only remember the good times. As far as boredom goes, a little bit of occasional boredom is a small price to pay for the benefits of not working. Iíve used an alarm clock twice in 2020 and man, getting a good nights sleep is pretty damn sweet.
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It's Marketwatch, the author is maybe 40, probably younger.

pass....
Clicked on the link, and the instant I saw who the author was, I had a good laugh. I've read her writing before--think I might follow her on Twitter, actually--and I seriously doubt she's even hit 30 yet, let alone 40!
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I’m still working, but I have 11 days off in a row starting to,or row. I sure hope I don’t lose my identity during that time span!

I can’t wait til July 2022 to try to lose my sense of identity...
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I get the loss of identity part. I practiced orthopedic surgery for 35 years and I think itís hard not to get tied up in your job. But I feel 5% of the stress I used to have. To me, having a surgery practice seemed like having 10,000 children, any one of which could call with a severe problem at any time. I donít miss having that hanging over me. I have to tell myself that there were good times but also plenty of bad ones, and itís way too easy to only remember the good times. As far as boredom goes, a little bit of occasional boredom is a small price to pay for the benefits of not working. Iíve used an alarm clock twice in 2020 and man, getting a good nights sleep is pretty damn sweet.
+1, but insert Otolaryngology practice, and now with 1% of stress. No foreign body/airway emergencies, bleeding tonsils or neck GSW. Focusing on health and family.
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