Hillary and Bill

[youbet]

we should all be aware that her Presidency will not be Bill Clinton's third term.

Hmmmmmm....... I haven't made up my mind between the three contenders yet. But, I'm definitely not as sure of your position regarding Hillary's independence from Bill as you are!

 

[chinaco]

Hmmmmmm....... I haven't made up my mind between the three contenders yet. But, I'm definitely not as sure of your position regarding Hillary's independence from Bill as you are!

Bill will influence Hill.

Bill Clinton is a smart man. No one (even his enemies) denies it.

He is just a bit of a disappointment with his personal indiscretions.

 

[boont]

Great Men

I'm reading your comments but I don't believe them. To pick just one...

"He (Clinton)is just a bit of a disappointment with his personal indiscretions"

You might just as well say, "I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you that there is gambling going on in Casablanca."

Well, if that is your criteria, then you have to write off almost all great men in history. Especially, great politicians. These include Churchill, Jefferson, JFK, Martin Luther King, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Washington the list goes on and on.

This is not grammar school. You have to be a man of the world.

You guys need to grow up, turn off talk radio, and read your history. As Truman said, "The only thing new in the world is the history you forgot."

b.

 

[youbet]

Bill will influence Hill. Absolutely.

Bill Clinton is a smart man. No one (even his enemies) denies it. Absolutely. Not to break my arm patting my own back, but I've noticed that most everyone who was able to do me wrong in life was pretty smart.

He is just a bit of a disappointment with his personal indiscretions. And a few other areas. His sexual exploits don't really bother me other than the situations where it's thought he used power and position to inappropriately influence or coerce the woman.

I'm not a Clinton (Bill) hater. I just haven't accepted him as my personal savior nor do I expect him to be able to grant eternal life to his chosen people as some do.

 

[chinaco]

I'm reading your comments but I don't believe them. To pick just one...

"He (Clinton)is just a bit of a disappointment with his personal indiscretions"

You might just as well say, "I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you that there is gambling going on in Casablanca."

Well, if that is your criteria, then you have to write off almost all great men in history. Especially, great politicians. These include Churchill, Jefferson, JFK, Martin Luther King, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Washington the list goes on and on.

This is not grammar school. You have to be a man of the world.

You guys need to grow up, turn off talk radio, and read your history. As Truman said, "The only thing new in the world is the history you forgot."

b.

Huh!

How did that statement write him off?

I am not going to defend Bill Clinton for his antics. He did some things that even his supporters did not like... people close to him.

No one here is naive. But, we do not have to brush it off or gloss over it.

Yes many accomplished people have had flaws. It would have been better for him if he would have controlled his urges a little. It would have been better for him, his family, and the rest of us who had to endure the whole mess.

 

[youbet]

Huh!

It would have been better for him if he would have controlled his urges a little. It would have been better for him, his family, and the rest of us who had to endure the whole mess.

It would have been better for him, if he couldn't control his urges, to only chase women who agreed to be chased. The Monica thing was nothing..... It's the charges he had to defend himself of implicating he used power and influence and situational coercion to try to "force the issue."

As stated above, I'm certainly not a Bill Clinton hater. And the rich/influential folks (politicians included) who've used whores, "special friends", mistresses or whatever to satisfy their needs for extramartial sex generally don't draw my ire.......unless they're hypocrites about it. But I just have this uneasy feeling that there is something to the smoking guns relating to Bill using force and coercion in one or more of his sexual exploits. He's a smart guy and avoided jail but did pay some hefty cash settlements to wiggle out of some of the situations. Tacky...... very tacky.

 

[boont]

Arkansas Project

"I just have this uneasy feeling..."

Do you remember the "Arkansas Project"? This will refresh your memory... (Wikipedia)

"David Brock, who reported many of the Clinton scandals, described himself as a Republican "hitman" who "soon became a lead figure in the drive to" get Clinton. Writing for the American Spectator, he brought the stories of alleged sexual misbehavior by Bill and Hillary Clinton into the public notice in late 1993.[3] The Pacific Research Institute funded further attempts to discredit the Clintons. The "Arkansas Project" name that later became famous was conceived as a joke; the actual name within the Spectator and between the Spectator and Scaife foundations was the "Editorial Improvement Project."

"Writer David Brock also went after the Clintons. Brock was the first journalist who published the sexual allegations by Paula Jones, which conflicted with later claims.[14] The Troopergate investigation later led Jones to sue Clinton, successfully obtaining an out-of-court settlement in the hundreds of thousands. Brock continued his conspiracy theorizing until a 1997 Esquire article titled "I Was a Conservative Hit Man" in which he recanted some of his claims. In 1998 he went further and personally apologized to Clinton. Brock was let go from the Spectator and published his 2002 book Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative."[14]

Perhaps this famous smear campaign is still making you uneasy. Even after the lead guy, Brock, "personally apologized to Clinton" the campaign continues.

I just know you are going to feel betrayed when you start hearing about Obama girfriends.

Pleeeze.

boont

 

[dex]

Well, Bill is already commonly referred to as "Bubba" because of certain, well known personality traits. But why go into regional, racial, cultural stereotypes? "Billery" relates to the combination of Bill and Hillary, a combination Hillary has chosen to be an important part of her campaign as she claims to have received full presidential experience from being first lady. "Hillbilly" is just a slam at a group of people.

Bad idea Dex.

It is more that Hillary should get top billing. Billery sounds as if Bill is leading. Hillbilly give Hillary top billing.

 

[Allegany]

Billary and Health Care

While Billary seems to be promising everyone in the country health care of one form or another, in New York State an individual can still not purchase an HSA and HDHP as it is against the law. Seems she and Schumer feel that these plans, which have the potential to slash health care costs in the state, are only tax deductions for the rich. Many people on this forum in other states have these plans and appear to be happy with their performance. In New York, Billary and Schumer refuse to talk to Sheldon Silver, head of the State Assembly, to move this forward. Maybe if the health insurance was more affordable we wouldn't have so many people who aren't covered. I don't want it free, because nothing is free, but offering catastrophic coverage, HSA's and High Deductible Health Plans seems like a logical step except if you live in the state of Billary and Schumer.

 

[youbet]

boont....

I feel any use of coercion, force or threatening influence to obtain sex from a woman is wrong. You can defend your personal savior Bill any way you like, but I still see a smoking gun(s) and I think he went over the line in regard to his capers with the ladies. Otherwise, I have no problem with Bill. He's no more of a villian than the other politicians.......

 

[bpp3]

It is more that Hillary should get top billing. Billery sounds as if Bill is leading. Hillbilly give Hillary top billing.

Hilliam?

 

[youbet]

Hilliam?

Hey! I like that one! Gives Hillary top billing as per Dex, yet avoids the "Hillbilly" stereotype which slurs a set of people.

 

[boont]

Remarks

"...any use of coercion, force or threatening influence to obtain sex..."

You know as well as I that no cases ever stood up after eight years of investigations with the exception of the Monica one, which had no accusations of force or anything else from her.

Don't just make stuff up.

Also, hold the, "personal savior" line and other
wry remarks, they are rude coercions in their own right.

boont

 

[Arc]

"...any use of coercion, force or threatening influence to obtain sex..."

You know as well as I that no cases ever stood up after eight years of investigations with the exception of the Monica one, which had no accusations of force or anything else from her.

Don't just make stuff up.

Also, hold the, "personal savior" line and other
wry remarks, they are rude coercions in their own right.

boont

AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON BY JUANITA BROADDRICK

No one but Juanita and Bill (and maybe Hilliam) know for sure - though tough to put in the "make stuff up" category.

 

[boont]

Broaddrick

An open letter to Arc,

It's funny how you neglect to mention what Kenneth Starrs' investigation about this, at the time, two decade old accusation came to.

Maybe you think that Star's investigation was not long enough or thorough enough, but "FBI agents working for the Office of Independent Council eventually deemed evidence concerning Broaddrick's terrible accusation to be "inconclusive."

But you claim to have other knowledge. Knowledge beyond that of the FBI. So please enlighten us.

What factual evidence do you have? Maybe Kenith Star went easy on Clinton. Is that what you think?

boont

 

[Arc]

An open letter to Arc,

It's funny how you neglect to mention what Kenneth Starrs' investigation about this, at the time, two decade old accusation came to.

Maybe you think that Star's investigation was not long enough or thorough enough, but "FBI agents working for the Office of Independent Council eventually deemed evidence concerning Broaddrick's terrible accusation to be "inconclusive."

But you claim to have other knowledge. Knowledge beyond that of the FBI. So please enlighten us.

What factual evidence do you have? Maybe Kenith Star went easy on Clinton. Is that what you think?

boont

I thought I was clear in saying that only Juanita and Bill only know for sure. Not sure how that is a "claim to have other knowledge."

I'll leave you with this though - One of these two lied under oath about sexual activity and one didn't. Who do you want me to believe?

 

[haha]

As Truman said, "The only thing new in the world is the history you forgot."

Oh, I love this quote.

Ha

 

[BoutDone]

Chinaco,

Conservatives believe two basic things are important for keeping America strong: morality and responsibility. Therefore, conservatives often support government policies that promote moral behavior - like abstinence education - and that encourage responsible behavior - like lowering taxes on people who work hard and are financially successful.

Conservatives believe Americans should help each other, but that society should not look to the government to solve all of its problems. Conservatives see the government as big and wasteful, and government programs too often reward immoral or irresponsible behavior. Conservatives believe that the government should keep a tight budget, and government programs - if they exist at all - should help people get strong and independent so that they do not need further government assistance.

To be blunt, conservative thinkers often believe that there is a right and wrong answer in most situations, while more liberal thinkers see a lot of grey in most situations.

 

[Milton]

As for Obama, anyone who won't say the Pledge of Allegiance or even wear a flag lapel pin can't be trusted to lead the greatest nation on earth.

Reminds me of the following sentence in Paul Fussell's book Class: A Guide Through the American Status System (1983), p.65: "Jewelry is another instant class-lower, like the enamaled little Old Glory lapel pins worn by the insane and by cynical politicians working backward districts."

Only in "the greatest nation on earth" would reluctance to wear a silly pin become a campaign issue.