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05-07-2022, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuckanut
... IMO, Ally seems to be really dragging its feet (as are many others) and I don't see evidence that they will change and offer competitive rates.
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They will become more competitive if/when they need to do so in order to get the deposits they need. No need to do it sooner & no different than any other bank.
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05-07-2022, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OldShooter
They will become more competitive if/when they need to do so in order to get the deposits they need. No need to do it sooner & no different than any other bank.
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I agree. I am sure they are finding a good supply of money at their current offerings.
My point was and is, I can find better returns with virtually no additional risk. They can keep their 0.6% no penalty account, and I will keep my money someplace else like a short term t-bill ladder. At least for now.
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05-07-2022, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuckanut
I looked at the Ally no-penalty CD, but if figured that for me, a series of laddered 6 month t-bills would earn me twice as much, provide plenty of liquidity, and still allow me to take advantage of rising rates. Currently the 6 month t-bill rate is over 2x the Ally no-penalty rate of 0.6%.
IMO, Ally seems to be really dragging its feet (as are many others) and I don't see evidence that they will change and offer competitive rates.
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They might change if they start seeing outflows to other online banks.
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05-07-2022, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Spock
A couple of new quirks in the modern era compared to the Volcker Shock formula (real rates > than inflation rate) are:
1. the Fed also has a $30T balance sheet they can (partially) sell off in addition to raising the fed funds rate. There was an article where somebody postulated that every 100B in balance sheet normalization (Quantitative Tightening) equated to X% interest rate movement without moving the fed funds rate.
2. Debt levels are exponentially higher than previous generations which magnifys the impact of smaller interest rate hikes on the economy (and on % of gov budget spent on interest due to higher rates).
Place your bets and spin the wheel.
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Yup, don't think we will really see any CD rates that are near any 1980's rates.
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05-07-2022, 03:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuckanut
I looked at the Ally no-penalty CD, but if figured that for me, a series of laddered 6 month t-bills would earn me twice as much, provide plenty of liquidity, and still allow me to take advantage of rising rates. Currently the 6 month t-bill rate is over 2x the Ally no-penalty rate of 0.6%.
IMO, Ally seems to be really dragging its feet (as are many others) and I don't see evidence that they will change and offer competitive rates.
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They will eventually. They have been competitive in the past. They’re dragging their feet at the moment, but will respond when funds start seriously getting pulled.
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05-10-2022, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by audreyh1
Ally has fallen behind. They will be forced to increase their savings rate and thus their no penalty CD rate soon.
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Well. Got notice from Ally today that their savings rate went up to 0.6%. Also the no penalty CD.
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05-10-2022, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by audreyh1
They will eventually. They have been competitive in the past. They’re dragging their feet at the moment, but will respond when funds start seriously getting pulled.
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They’re too slow. I’m moving funds for a better rate.
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05-12-2022, 01:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldShooter
They will become more competitive if/when they need to do so in order to get the deposits they need. No need to do it sooner & no different than any other bank.
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No source and too lazy to look: I have heard that banks are still awash in cash and don't need to raise rates - yet. I'm gonna wait until they start offering toasters again.
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05-12-2022, 07:19 AM
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At these low interest rates they may not be offering toasters for a long while. You may need to settle for a peice of toast... unfortunately.
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05-12-2022, 08:28 PM
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At these low interest rates they may not be offering toasters for a long while. You may need to settle for a peice of toast... unfortunately.
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Heh, heh, more like CRUMBS!
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05-12-2022, 08:54 PM
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They’re too slow. I’m moving funds for a better rate.
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I’m sure many folks are doing the same. They will be forced to respond.
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05-13-2022, 12:48 PM
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They’re too slow. I’m moving funds for a better rate.
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Let us know what that is please.
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05-13-2022, 01:23 PM
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Ally just sent me a notice for a 20 month CD @ 2.0%! Things are moving in the right direction.
https://www.ally.com/go/bank/20m-sel...P=EML400002574
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05-13-2022, 03:36 PM
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Banks are kind of getting pinched right now on any loans they hold on their books. They can't sell them at the rates they wrote them at from a year or two ago so I think it's going to be a bit, yet.
Similar to your bonds right now. No one wants to buy them at the older/lower rates with out taking a haircut.
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05-13-2022, 04:45 PM
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05-13-2022, 04:50 PM
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Brokered CDs at Fidelity 2.9% (as of the time of this post).
https://fixedincome.fidelity.com/ftgw/fi/FILanding
Seems like the brokered CDs are getting closer to Treasury rates at the shorter maturities (and already exceed them at the longer).
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05-13-2022, 07:20 PM
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Woo! Hoo! Let me know when I can get one at least even with inflation.
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05-13-2022, 07:26 PM
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Woo! Hoo! Let me know when I can get one at least even with inflation.
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Heh, heh, not for a long time yet!
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05-13-2022, 07:42 PM
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Quote:
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Woo! Hoo! Let me know when I can get one at least even with inflation.
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IBonds is it for now!
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