chinaco
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Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I realize I'm swimming upstream against the approved forum doctrine.
I agree that it is very difficult to "beat the market" in absolute terms using market timing. But that is not always the goal. Sometimes the goal is to reduce risk.
If I can garner 80% of the additional gains above cash by being in the market 50% of the time, have I not come out ahead on a risk adjusted basis?
Timing is difficult due to the all or nothing approach. But many of those on this forum who speak negative about timing seem to engage in it themselves, but just call it something else. What do you call it when the market makes you nervous and you practice "asset allocation" at a time that is not on a predetermined schedule?
The bottom line, to me, is to find the system that allows you to sleep at night and that is a written-down plan. This helps keep emotion out of it. When I was practicing market timing (I no longer do), I stuck to systems that I had the algorithm for--don't like relying on gurus. I won't say it was wildly successful, but neither was it disastrous. I think I slightly underperformed the market, but was only in about 60% of the time or so.
Finally, there are reputable timers with long-term respectable results. One that I watch (but don't use) is
Mojena Market Timing
I am certainly NOT advocating market timing. But I don't believe that the bottom line of whether or not it works is if it beats the market. After all, a diversified portfolio with a dollop of bonds won't beat it either. What's the difference if you allocate using the time axis versus allocating versus the "asset class" axis? Either way is a method to attempt to smooth volitility and risk.
Yeah. I read Marty Zwieg's book "Book Winning on Wall Street". He called the 1987 crash and gained much notoriety. He is a smart guy, He went to top notch schools MBA, PHD runs or ran some mutual funds. I do not think his funds out performed for any sustained period of time. He has a new letter. Martin Zweig, Stock Investing Guru
He touts the strategy of not being overly exposed to market risk. It is a form of timing. He uses a combo of fundamental and technical analysis. His book is interesting (I have read others that have similar info... not new). But applying it is complicated and takes much discipline. He would advise you to buy his news letter.
Anyway... You can quantify your gain or loss against the market benchmarks easy enough. If you have less, consider that you paid insurance premiums for the difference in "opportunity cost".
I personally believe that rebalancing a diversified portfolio (e.g. stocks, bonds, other asset classes) is a form of timing. But it is not based on traditional technical indicators... rather it is based on one asset class outperforming others. It is the safest (buy low - sell high) mechanical approach around. And it is proven academically and in practice.
Oh... I forgot to mention... in most of those timing models, the indicators are sometimes wrong. Plus, one can miss the indicator by a few days of weeks and miss significant gains. The models can be very confusing.