My $18K/Yr Basic Expense Budget

Alex in Virginia

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My $18K Annual Basic Expense Budget

A lot of people have a hard time accepting that I can actually have a basic living expense budget of $18,000 a year. They read “18,000” and they think I must be living in a hovel or in government-subsidized housing. I must be eating beans and rice 7 days a week. I must be letting my car, (he has a car?), my house (what house??!!) and my health fall apart. And I must be limited to spending my days in front of the boob tube sipping cheap Old Milwaukee beer.

OR -- I must be cooking the books to come up with that $18,000 a year figure. It must actually be something like $36,000 a year for my wife-and-I household. I must not be accounting for my health care being provided by my wife’s employer. Or something. Or all of it. But the $18,000 a year figure CAN’T be real.

Well, it is. And we’re going to go through it line by line. But first, we have to establish a context for my basic living budget -- and in the process (hopefully) answer some questions and lay to rest some misconceptions before they start mucking things up.
 
What About That Wife?
Am I married? Yes. Does my wife work and earn an income? Yes. Does her employer cover my health insurance? No. Do my wife and I share household expenses that otherwise would jack up that $18,000 number of mine? Nope. That’s right. No.

You see, due to business and job circumstances, my wife and I maintain separate households 102 miles apart. Separate houses. Separate electric, internet and satellite radio services. Separate household expenses right down the line.

We also have separate vehicles, for which we each take separate responsibility.

There are two line items in my budget that do benefit from marriage. Although I don’t know the actual amount, I know that our auto and long-term-care insurance carriers give each of us premium breaks for having bought 2 policies. And that’s the only marriage effect that I can see on my annual basic living budget.

Of course, it’s a whole ‘nother story when it comes to our entertainment and travel spending. Two can travel by car and stay in hotels just as cheaply as one. Two can get restaurant discounts a single diner can’t. And so on. But like I said, that’s another story.

This story is about my $18,000 a year basic expenses budget.
 
What About That Hovel -- and the Rice and Beans?
I live in a two-bedroom, one-bath non-subsidized 1150 square foot brick house set on 1.25 acres near the Shenandoah River. The house also has a full walk-out basement and an attached 500 square foot garage and workshop. Some might still say that’s a hovel, but it’s home-sweet-home to me. And it’s paid for.

I drive a very well maintained 1996 Dodge Dakota -- also paid for -- with 128,000 miles on its odometer. I like it very much, and it covers that 102 miles to my wife’s house every weekend just fine.

I never eat rice and beans as a main dinner dish. My dinner preference is to go heavy on meats and vegetables. My (monotonous sounding to some) breakfast most days is oatmeal with milk and fresh strawberries. A sandwich and apple cover my lunch. Snacks throughout the day could be yogurt, nuts, fruit or a bowl of cold cereal and milk. Oh, and my beer is Becks, my scotches are Chivas Regal and Speyburn, and my bourbon is Old Crow. (I know, I’m not too picky about bourbons.)

Anyway, you get the picture. (I hope.)
 
Okay, Alex, So Let’s See That Budget Already!
(my apologies but I don't know how to make it go into columns)

Cost Per Month

Housing
mortgage 0
(paid off)
r. e. taxes 49
home insce 47
home warr. 52
Repairs fund 150
(leveled at $3k)

Utilities
internet 57
land line 10
cell phone 10
electricity 100
(12-mo. avg)
heat oil & gas 50
(12-mo. avg.)
netflix 7
pandora 0
(free service)

Auto
auto loan 0
(paid off)
auto insce 28
maintenance 100
(accrued in a fund)
basic gas 35
(200 mi @ 20mpg)

Health Care **See Note 1 Below**
medicare (A & B) 105
supplemental 51
(medigap)
medicare (D) 18
(prescriptions)
ltc insce 176
(long term care)
dental insce 20
out-of-pocket 35

Groceries “Plus”
groceries 210
liquor 20
pet food 50
(3 cats, 1 dog)

Monthly Total $ 1380 x 12 months = $16,560
Annual Total $ 16,560 (post-tax)

Income Tax “Overhead” 740
**See Note 2 below**

Error Allowance 700

Pre-Tax Annual Total Budget $18,000

Note One: For a detailed look at my health care finances, please go to http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f38/taming-my-healthcare-cost-monster-66527.html#post1318280.

Note Two: Factors in a $7100 standard deduction and a $3800 exemption for federal. Additional cushion "fudged in" for state.


My Discretionary Spending Pay-Off
Of course, every dollar I don’t spend on basic living expenses is another dollar added to my discretionary spending fund. That’s my pay-off for basic budget vigilance. By keeping my “have to” expenses lower, I have that much more money for my “want to” activities and purchases. More money for travel. More money for day trips, events, eating out, whatever. And if I don’t end up spending that money, my discretionary fund just keeps growing and growing.

For me, it’s a win-win.

What about you? How do you approach your budgeting? Are you squeezing your basic living costs to have more money for fun spending? Or are you opting to be more laid back about your basic living costs because you are comfortable with them?


Alex in Virginia

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No water & sewer? You have a well & septic tank?

No trash service? No clothing or shoes? No stamps, no gifts, no miscellaneous expenses? I am surprised that in your lengthy post, you didn't even mention so many types of expenses.
 
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Alex, this is impressive. If you and your wife shared a household, what do you estimate the total budget would be?
 
No trash service? No clothing or shoes? No stamps, no gifts, no miscellaneous expenses?

He is apparently lumping this into discretionary spending. He is only accounting for his basic living, barebones budget.
 
I just burned 10k this week on a new roof and Christmas present ring for SO, and I am not even a rich guy.. Car going into shop this week and nervous I may be attending its wake after a 12 year life. By next week, I may have blown through Alex's yearly budget, and still don't have any rice and beans to eat yet.
 
How does the home warranty work and what does it cover?

JDARNELL
 
Looking good so far, though we may be able to help find some other items. :)

Does your wife pay for the gas for conjugal weekly visits? :cool:

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I drive a very well maintained 1996 Dodge Dakota -- also paid for -- with 128,000 miles on its odometer. I like it very much, and it covers that 102 miles to my wife’s house every weekend just fine.
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Cost Per Month

Auto
auto loan 0
(paid off)
auto insce 28
maintenance 100
(accrued in a fund)
basic gas 35
(200 mi @ 20mpg)

But generally, I think people can live on a lot less than what they are spending now. A lot of things or recreational activities that we pay for are not really essential. I am setting my WR to 3.5%, and if my stash goes down to 1/2 of what it is now, I think I can still manage with 3.5%.

It would require a bit of work to redesign the lifestyle, and I believe it can be done if I have to. But even with Medicare, that $18K will take some hard work. For me that is.
 
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Previously, you posted you spent 15K on your half of living expenses -

"I am married and my wife still works and covers half of our joint living costs. That’s the way we’ve run our finances for the last 20 years, each of us having to cover our half of those joint expenses."

http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f28/my-fi-ducks-are-all-in-a-row-66499.html

So when you lived together you shared the costs and your household expenses were $30K? Was that the same house?

In one post your house is 1500 sq ft on 2+ acres shared with your wife, and the next it is 1150 sq ft on 1.25 acres and you live by yourself. Did you move to a different house from your last post or did your wife move out? I am not really following what is going on from your other post to this one.


 
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He is apparently lumping this into discretionary spending. He is only accounting for his basic living, barebones budget.

I guess, there sure seems to be a lot missing.

Seems I went through this exercise years ago, and when I tried to put things in buckets, I missed about half of what I spend. There is a lot of 'misc' in my life I guess.

What about a 17 YO car? It will need to be replaced - there should be a 'replacement car fund' at least.

I guess I'm not following this 'fend off' comment:

And I must be limited to spending my days in front of the boob tube sipping cheap Old Milwaukee beer.

Well, I see $20/month for liquor, and only TV services for entertainment. Of course different people drink different amounts of beer, so $20 will buy craft beer if you drink one about every other day, but I don't see any other entertainment there. So it seems that your budget only allows for 'days in front of the boob tube'?

:confused:

-ERD50
 
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Well, I see $20/month for liquor, and only TV services for entertainment. Of course different people drink different amounts of beer, so $20 will buy craft beer if you drink one about every other day, but I don't see any other entertainment there. So it seems that your budget only allows for 'days in front of the boob tube'?
-ERD50
Alex could be doing hiking, fishing, or planting to occupy his time with little or zero cost. Or since he has Internet access, he can spend a lot of time on this forum, like I do now. :blush:

Well, I am still waiting for my health to recover, then in Spring I will be gone for RV'ing again. Can't refuel that little gas guzzler with a $18K budget, that I know.

And to please the missus, I am thinking about doing Alaska with a cruise, and not driving the RV. Do not want the Alaskan experience to become a nightmare for her.
 
Alex isn't claiming this is his only spending, just the mostly non-discretionary spending. I guess the weekend visits are discretionary with that monthly mileage allowance.
 
Well, I'd be much more interested in what Alex's real expense profile looks like. Any of us could come up with a spartan, bare bones, survival budget. But since that's not how any of us actually live, it would be little more than an accounting curiosity.

My own experience - and I'm not even retired yet - is that after killing your debt, including your mortgage, all those miscellaneous and "discretionary" costs become a much larger piece of what you spend.
 
I just burned 10k this week on a new roof and Christmas present ring for SO, and I am not even a rich guy.. Car going into shop this week and nervous I may be attending its wake after a 12 year life. By next week, I may have blown through Alex's yearly budget, and still don't have any rice and beans to eat yet.
Darn! If I had to stick to a budget, I would make sure I have my rice and bean containers all filled and stacked first before I even think about the roof. Yes, even if the roof looks like this. A guy's got to know what his priorities are.

Oh, and the Xmas ring should be before the rice and beans, I forgot. ;)

bad_roof.jpg
 
On those categories that Alex is reporting, I spent $18,336 last year. That's more than Alex, but a lot less than I would have guessed because I am not especially trying to be frugal any more and pretty much spend what I want, within reason I guess. The categories listed comprise less than 55% of my total spending.

Some differences are that I don't have a pet or LTC insurance, but I do have cable TV, and my home insurance is $192/month. I haven't seen a phone bill as low as $10 for probably 20 years. :LOL: I need to ditch that evil device. :D

What about you? How do you approach your budgeting? Are you squeezing your basic living costs to have more money for fun spending? Or are you opting to be more laid back about your basic living costs because you are comfortable with them?

Alex, I don't really squeeze either basic or discretionary these days. There have been utterly miserable times in my life when my luck was rotten and I was hungry and so poor, but the last few years things have changed and have become quite the opposite. I ended up with a bigger nestegg than expected, due to over-planning, few catastrophes or unexpected big expenses other than hurricane repairs and a dental implant, a windfall (that I haven't yet touched), and a massively booming market pushing my net worth ever upwards since my 2009 retirement. Despite my best efforts I have only been able to spend 2%/year, and I haven't claimed SS yet. Seems like a crazy, insane dream and I know I am very fortunate. Sometimes I feel like fate is setting me up for a big fall one of these days. :LOL: But if/when that happens, I still remember how to live on very little. I just don't have to, right now.

I really need to cancel some services that I am getting very little from. I am not getting much from my landline, I would be just as happy with a dumb phone as my iPhone, and I am paying for a DVR that I don't even use. In fact I would be just as happy with basic cable TV so should return to that. But, I just haven't got around to doing any of this for some reason.
 
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Plenty in the budget I don't understand such as all the liquor and beer you list, so I guess you buy a bottle a month as basic and the rest is discretionary.

You say your basic car expenses includes 200 miles a month so as was mentioned above I guess that covers grocery shopping only and the weekly visits to your wife are discretionary?


I drive a very well maintained 1996 Dodge Dakota -- also paid for -- with 128,000 miles on its odometer. I like it very much, and it covers that 102 miles to my wife’s house every weekend just fine.
 
I think there is value in looking at what our bare bones expenses are before adding discretionary items into the budget. If I know I can live on $20K discretionary, but I'm comfortable spending $50K per year, that gives me $30K of money to play with. I suspect that is what Alex is really doing here. As he stated in his post, he can spend more on discretionary items if he chooses to, or not do so and put it away for the future. I don't see anything that unusual here. My expenses are about the same except for property taxes, which are significantly higher due to living in Southern California.
 
Makes sense. It's similar to mine, except you're on Medicare and I (will) pay for my own health insurance, adding about 5K/yr, bringing my total to 23K/yr. It's a nice freedom, to have so few expenses to cover.
 
Darn! If I had to stick to a budget, I would make sure I have my rice and bean containers all filled and stacked first before I even think about the roof. Yes, even if the roof looks like this. A guy's got to know what his priorities are. Oh, and the Xmas ring should be before the rice and beans, I forgot. ;)


I hope that isn't your roof, NW! When I do my daily walks, I notice many that look that bad and for the last 4 months have wondered why theirs isn't leaking while mine is despite the fact it looks great. Oh well, that's why I built up a reserve....I just thought it wouldn't be needed for 10 more years..
 
Well, I'd be much more interested in what Alex's real expense profile looks like. Any of us could come up with a spartan, bare bones, survival budget. But since that's not how any of us actually live, it would be little more than an accounting curiosity.

My own experience - and I'm not even retired yet - is that after killing your debt, including your mortgage, all those miscellaneous and "discretionary" costs become a much larger piece of what you spend.

I always look back instead of projecting a forward budget. I think spending habits are just that - habits, and probably very hard to break.

I can't speak for Alex but here's my spending from 11/12 - 10/13 and if I take out the extra pre-retirement expenses, it's closes to Alex's budget.

$33,127.26
$7,064 Utilities, Car & Home Ins, Property taxes
$5,500 Roth IRA
$5,313.50 Travel, Gifts, Clothes
$3,188 Cigarettes (terrible I know but I'm being honest)
$2,400 Son's college rent
$2,000 Graduation gifts for son and girlfriend ($1K each into a Roth IRA)
$1,000 Brokerage acct.
which leaves
$6,662 in misc - food, pet meds, 1 vet bill, 4 new tires, 1 car repair, 1 dr. bill and gas (I fill up twice a month).


In retirement I can subtract the IRA, cigarettes, college, grad gifts, and brokerage investment (leaves about $19,500) and will have to add health care (whatever that might be) as a monthly expense.

I don't know why I spend so little day to day but I don't feel deprived. I am budgeting $40K per year in retirement though because I agree with you that more time on my hands will lead to more spending in all likelihood.
 
I hope that isn't your roof, NW! When I do my daily walks, I notice many that look that bad and for the last 4 months have wondered why theirs isn't leaking while mine is despite the fact it looks great. Oh well, that's why I built up a reserve....I just thought it wouldn't be needed for 10 more years..
The photo was linked off the Web. I am good at "borrowing" OPP (other people's photo) to juice up my posts. :)

I have a tile roof and did have to spend $4K a couple of years ago to have the underlayer replaced in some parts of the roof. The felt underneath could look as bad as that, but I was not home to see when they did it. On top the tiles looked great, but inside the ceiling did not lie. Poor workmanship was what allowed water to get under the tiles.

PS. The leaks start at the flashing where two roof surfaces meet. A continuous tile roof has no reason to leak, but there are weak points, particularly with roofs that have too many nooks and crannies for design reasons, skylights and such.
 
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Why wait? :cool:

I'm not actually - Thanksgiving is my D-day. I'm sick of the filthy things! The Christmas season at work won't give me any time to obsess over them and that's why I picked that date - to give me the best chance at succeeding. I've quit before so I know I can do it.
 
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