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Old 03-15-2014, 06:16 AM   #1
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I have inherited IRAs from both my late parents. Since I received inaccurate info from the mutual fund company after my Mom passed away I want to get advice on how to handle before I meet with them.

Do I need to take distributions immediately (am 68 this year)?
How many years can I spread the distributions over?
If I don’t take full distributions can I make my adult kids beneficiaries if I die before depletion?

Anything else I should know (did google but questions NOT answered).

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Old 03-15-2014, 06:42 AM   #2
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I don't remember if I was required to take RMD in the year my mother died, but I do know that I have had to take RMDs every year after, and I was under 50. I'm not sure but I think the RMD is based on life expectancy of someone born the year my mother was born, not my life expectancy.

I know that my nieces and nephews are beneficiaries of that inherited IRA.
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:54 AM   #3
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I have inherited IRAs from both my late parents. Since I received inaccurate info from the mutual fund company after my Mom passed away I want to get advice on how to handle before I meet with them.

Do I need to take distributions immediately (am 68 this year)?
How many years can I spread the distributions over?
If I don’t take full distributions can I make my adult kids beneficiaries if I die before depletion?

Anything else I should know (did google but questions NOT answered).

I’ll come back in a day or so.
First step that applies is to verify if distributions were taken in the year of their death. If they didn't take their RMD in the year of their death, then their estate would need to do that. The estate would then simply add this income to the other various income they might have had (interest/dividends/capital gains) between their date of death and when the assets were distributed to the heirs.

Second step - realize that you can't combine IRAs if you are a non-spouse. So if you inherited your father's IRA and your mother's IRA, those must remain two separate Beneficiary IRA accounts until they are depleted.

If the IRAs have significant balances, then you could take out the minimum each year...but realize that you have inherited an IRA from each/a parent, and then there might still be assets left in it for your kids to inherit. Along with your own IRA that you might have. All of these accounts must be kept separate. While it's certainly possible to maintain them, it can start to become annoying if your kids have 2 or 3 inherited IRAs each, along with their own retirement accounts to manage. Unless there were $2MM in each IRA account, I'd just plan to draw it down and try to manage my taxable income so it doesn't jump me up into a significantly higher tax bracket.

Third step - realize that a Beneficiary/Inherited IRA will end up forcing you to draw it down MUCH faster than your own IRA.

In the IRS regulations, it states that a non-spouse beneficiary must DECREASE the divisor of the first-year RMD when you inherit the IRA.

Example: let's say you were age 67 on December 31 of the year you inherited the IRA. Using Single Life Expectancy, Table I
Publication 590 (2013), Individual Retirement Arrangements (IRAs)

It says to use a divisor of 19.4 That means you take the balance of the account on December 31 of the prior year and divide it by 19.4 for your RMD.

HOWEVER, for each and every subsequent year, you decrease whatever your Beneficiary IRA first year divisor is by 1; you do NOT use that year's age divisor.

So for the following December 31:
Age 68 divisor is 18.4
Age 69 divisor is 17.4
Age 70 divisor is 16.4, etc.

As you can see, the beneficiary IRA divisor will quickly grow much larger than a regular IRA RMD, and will result in the IRA balance drawing down much more quickly than if it were your own IRA. Purely from this fact, if you enjoy a long life, it's unlikely that your kids will inherit your parents' IRAs...unless you're an investing powerhouse and enjoy 12% returns each year from the accounts.
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:19 AM   #4
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My husband had an inherited IRA from his mom. We were taking RMDs but decided this year to just take the remainder out (it's fairly small) and manage our taxes by setting more aside in tax deferred accounts.

Why does the gubment need to make this so complicated?
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Old 03-15-2014, 09:33 AM   #5
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It would be much simpler I suppose if they simply required those inheriting IRAs to pay the tax on the tax-advantaged balance immediately upon inheritance, as current year income, and then let the beneficiary do with the remainder as they see fit. So effectively this is complicated to provide a means for beneficiaries to be able to defer paying taxes on the tax-advantaged balances they inherit. The complication benefits the beneficiaries, not the government.
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+1 and any beneficiary can chose to avoid the complication and withdraw it when they receive it and pay the taxes on it.
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You can spread the distribution over your life. If at your death any funds remain for your children, the RMDs continue at the same pace they would have had you not died.
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My friend, 50 years old, inherited an IRA from his remaining parent (his mom) died back in August, 2012. His mom had not taken her RMD yet so when her portfolio was split between him and his sister, the executor did the RMD and split it between the two, with each receiving a 1099-R form with some income taxes withheld (their choice).

To determine future RMDs, the divisor goes down by one each year as posted by Moorebonds. The starting value of the divisor is based on my friend's life expectancy. My friend doesn't need the RMD for his everyday expenses so he has nearly all of it withheld via 1099-R for income taxes. He has a lot of investment income (from an inherited brokerage account) now so the RMD pays some of the taxes to help keep in a "safe harbor" for withholding purposes.

The IRA grew in 2013 so despite the divisor decreasing by one (it is in the low 30s somewhere) his RMD will barely increase for 2014. We do not expect this pattern to continue every year as the divisor decreases at an increasing rate percentagewise.
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It would be pretty painful to take $500,000 in income in one year just to simplify the complication.
Grayhare read Moorbonds explanation above or read this from Fidelity
https://www.fidelity.com/viewpoints/...non-spouse-IRA
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:41 AM   #10
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Thanks everyone. i wanted to be prepared when I meet w/the mutual fund people. Previous advice given was at least partly incorrect giving rise to current complications.
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