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Old 10-03-2019, 03:42 PM   #1
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Pension Options thoughts / suggestions

DW who I from now on will call my Sugar Mama (SM) 59yrs is retiring at end of year. DH who from now on will call Lucky Ducky (LD) 60 yrs. SM has wonderful pension options and we'd like some second opinions on these options.
Basic - 8700/month at SM death, LD gets one month’s allowance – No

Following two are single life annuities
Option 1 - 8261/month at SM death, LD gets present value at start 1,654,000 with monthly decline of 8261 - so about 16.5 years when LD would get nothing – a possible

Option 4 - 8618/month at SM death, LD gets employee contributions value at start 310,903 with monthly decline of 1552 - so about 16.5 years when LD would get nothing – thinking no

Following four are dual life annuities
Option 2 100% survivor - 7561/month at SM death, LD gets 7561/month –?

Option 3 50% survivor - 8091/month at SM death, LD gets 4045/month - a possible

Option 5 100% survivor with popup - 7360/month at SM death, LD gets 7360, if LD dies before SM then pension pops up to basic 8700 - a possible
Option 6 - 50% survivor with popup - 7974/month at SM death, LD gets 3987, if LD dies before SM then pension pops up to basic 8700 - a better possible

Basis of our other funds:
Paid house, cars, monthly CC paid of – NO DEBT
SM IRA – 586,000 AA of 75% Fixed and 25% NW 2025 Life Fund – We will move all this to FIDO when SM retires.
LD IRA’s – 684,700 FIDO Rollover AA of 53% Domestic, 16% International and 31% bonds and 663,666 TSP AA of 30 % G, 31% C, 21% S and 18% I.

I will retire Dec 2020 at 62 from Federal Gov , will be about 2400/month
LD SS 1863/2720/3381 and SM SS 1890/2777/3499
LD does not need the extra 1.6M , heaven forbid SM passed after one month and I’m sure she will live will past 77, we are both healthy ,but parents are just so so for long life’s, So you never know. I am thinking the option Option 6 - 50% survivor with popup - 7974/month at SM death, LD gets 3987, if LD dies before SM then pension pops up to basic 8700 – would be the best for us. Only about 300 less then option 1 with the 1.6M. And i like that SM can pop back to 8700 when LD dies first.

Thanks for looking and adding any helpful thoughts
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:21 PM   #2
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Hubby who is my sugar daddy and I are choosing #5 in a very similar situation. A win win for both parties. The difference in monthly payment was only about $400 less for us, but I was comparing after tax dollars. Did they run an approximation of SM’s after tax take home pay. It was a real eye opener and helped us with our decision.
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PS. SD really liked the pop up feature.
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We didn't have as many choices but decided on 100% survivor.

You may want to think through what LD's spending would be if SM were to die prematurely and the funding sources for that level of spending in making your decision.... IOW, if SM were to pass how much would LD need from SM's pension in order to maintain his standard of living.
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We had similar choices, as both of us have pension. We went with 100% survivor for both, that way we have a set income for the rest of our lives. The only thing that changes when one of us dies, is the loss of one SS income.
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We had a similar decision to make this week and after much thought and consideration, we went with 100% survivor option.
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